lets start an new mod series
Posted 07 January 2007 - 07:34 PM
any engine , an travle the tri states, an canada...
will any one be instered...
Posted 07 January 2007 - 08:47 PM
Posted 07 January 2007 - 09:56 PM
we buy 6 tires per year..
so why wine about the cost.. your getting more money to win...
400.00 to start the feature 2000,00 to 3,000.00 to win
Posted 09 January 2007 - 08:32 AM
Without the funding for that payout, it would be a fenderless SLM series that only a few racers could afford to run out-of-pocket.
A crate motor would make it better and cheaper, but then it would take longer for people to commit to it and build the cars.
Posted 09 January 2007 - 08:35 AM
I hate to be a pessimist and while the idea sounds good the chances of it ever gaining favor with promoters is slim to none.
Posted 09 January 2007 - 11:10 AM
Posted 09 January 2007 - 08:50 PM
08 SEASON YOU WILL NEED TO HAVE AN CRATE ENGINE OR YOU WONT BE ABLE YOU RACE THERE....
AM WILL TO GET AN SERIES STARED UP..AM AN RACER WILLING TO PUT 100 % INTO THIS .
I KNOW THERE WILL BE SOME PROBLEMS THAT WILL NEED TO BE IRON OUT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE 100 LAP FEATURES, PAYING 2,00.00 TO 3,000.00 TO WIN
MUST USED AN CRATE ENGINE, 10 INCH SLICK TIRE...
LIKE TO SEE RACING FROM AN 1/4 MILE TO 5/8 MILE TRACKS BOTH IN THE STATES AND CANADA..
I KNOW I CANT PLEASE ALL YOUR RACERS , BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN PAVEMENT MOD SERIES THAT CARE FOR THR DRIVE..
AFTER READING THE RULES FROM THE USA MODS , NEED TO START UP AN NEW SERIES...
THE ASA SERICES STARTED OUT SLOW , NOW IT HAS 3 DIVISIONS..
Posted 10 January 2007 - 07:10 AM
I don't think the Promoters had much input into the destruction of this division. Actually, I do not think it is ruined.......Yet.
The drivers are sometimes their own worse enemy and a few drivers pushed rules that benefited them, not the entire division. Of course the biggest factor in the downturn in the Mod's is the association itself. One cannot serve two God's. Having an asphalt and dirt division all wrapped up into one association has not and never will work.
Time for a new Association that can adopt a cost saving rules package while forgetting about the few drivers who like to see rules made according to the equipment in their shops.
Posted 10 January 2007 - 07:49 AM
As for the promotors not getting involved in ruining the class (yet) then who is to blame. You and I both know there are race tracks within an hour to an hour and half driving distance that have different rules. The drivers don't enforce them. Anyways we all have been down this road before. My whole point (the word ruined may of been to harsh) is it would be nice to get a uniform set of rules. That is all. Until then let the debate continue.
Posted 10 January 2007 - 10:04 AM
I agree 100 %. The Mod division does need a standard set of rules and I wished someone would grab the bull by the horns and start a new Association and " Get Err the Hell Dun ". This talk has been going on for a couple years, drivers have bitched about their Association and ongoing rules problems yet no one has done a damn thing about it yet.
The problem has been a few individuals seem to be the only ones who want to work on these issues and they typically represent only one track. It does no good for one track to adopt new rules while the rest of the State's Mod drivers falter under MMA rules or rules created by a couple promoters.
I have said this before and will say it again. The State's Mod drivers all need to come together, design a new set of rules that can lead them into the future and help build their division. They need to throw ideas on the table that can help bring new teams into the division NOT create rules that serve a chosen few. If this is through a new Association, so be it. But it needs to get done. Soon.
If I sill lived there I would do this myself using the same format that we created USPRO. With all drivers input. But your not going to drag my warm old butt out of Florida and up there into freezing climates.
Posted 10 January 2007 - 10:14 AM
Posted 10 January 2007 - 10:48 AM
I just want to see the mods around for a long time...and not just for the chosen few!!!!!!
Posted 10 January 2007 - 10:57 AM
I think Crate motors would be great for the class, it would just be a tough transition due to almost everyone already having motors and parts.
There are ways to equalize the differences in HP, and if someone builds a cheater motor they would get caught.
Racers ARE their own worst enemy...One example would be the mod meeting at Spartan. Guys wanted to switch tires because they "cannot get the car hooked up" on the current tire. A car that is hard to hook up is a car that cannot use a lot of horsepower.
The MMA tire is likely the main reason why I was able to compete against 500+ HP cars.
I say the FIRST solution to rising costs in the mod division is to switch to a 6-inch wide version of the MMA tire. It sure would cut the engines right out of the picture wouldn't it. Anyone could be competitive with 300 HP or even less. But you know what? I bet about anything that not one single person who is complaining about the cost of running a modified would be willing to do that.
Racers (in general) want cars that are hooked up like they are on rails. Racers don't want to have to "drive" the cars anymore like they did in the past. They want all the power they can get and then they want rule changes to make it so they can use it. First they want 800 hp engines. Next they want 10 inch slicks cuz they can't hook up the 800 hp. Then they want $250 apiece shocks because they help it "feel" better, and it never ends.
So, a question to all the Mod Veterans... When the mod class first started...Back when it was cheap... How did the cars drive? Were they "hooked up" like todays modifieds? Or were they a real handful that a driver had to DRIVE???
Posted 10 January 2007 - 11:56 AM
Posted 10 January 2007 - 12:10 PM
Posted 10 January 2007 - 12:59 PM
Posted 10 January 2007 - 01:59 PM
I was not trying to imply that the meeting was not in the interest of the modified racing division as a whole. I was only using one very small part of that meeting as an example to show how some racers unknowingly make changes that have negative effects on other things. I know there was at least one person at that meeting who's reason for wanting to switch to the 970 was that they "can't get hooked up" on the MMA tire. I wasn't necessarily finding fault with the tire switch itself, but rather with the "I can't get hooked up on it" statement which is what I feel has led to the rising costs of mod racing. If everyone wants to switch to the 970 because it's better for traveling, or because it lasts longer, or cycles better, or whatever, then that's fine. But I will never support switching the mods to a different tire for the reason that it "hooks the car up better".
I am also not trying to convince anyone that rising costs are preventable. Evolution is unavoidable, but we still need to try and keep things in check.
As for the shocks. I agree that re-buildable shocks save the racer money. That's why I own Qa1 steel body shocks. They are only like $70 ea and being able to re-build and re-valve them saves a lot of money. But unfortunately some people attempt to outspend everyone else and that's when cars start showing up at tracks with exotic Penske and Ohlin type shocks on their modifieds.
I just try and get people thinking sometimes...And that's all I'm trying to do here as well.
Posted 10 January 2007 - 03:00 PM
I do not think that it would be an anti-revenue move if all or at least the great majority of pavement tracks in the area got together with all drivers of all classes and saw the benefit of a common tire for all. Again, as I pointed out earlier, and as Gavin supported, $600 a pop to visit a new track is a tough pill to swallow, and most of that is tire money if that track doesn't run your current inventory of tires. So, I guess, and I am guessing only, that some of the money lost in a change from say, Hoosier to Am Racers could be made up with new visitor money. And, from a business standpoint, putting myself in a promoter's shoes, I would have some serious talks with Wayne and others in the tire supply business, and see what kind of a margin could be garnered with one or two tracks using the same rubber, and five or six tracks doing the same. And from the tire supplier's point of view, the supply and demand curve changes to their benefit, and we all know what that means. Both parties profit, and profit again, is not evil or bad.
So again, we visit, and have recently visited this tire issue with various people in this business. And again, it is one of the thorniest issues we are facing in this division. Add in the complicator that a number of mod drivers are in favor of a tire rule and even tire impound, and we have an economic impasse, some can and some can't afford additional rims and sets of tires in order to satiate that desire to experieince different tracks when the whimsy occurs.
Agreed, Mike, if you can't hook up with the American Racer, you won't necessarily be any better with the Hoosier, as that tire requires a different set up, and the reason you aren't hooking up in the first place may well be your set up with the Am Racer tire.
There is a lot of commonality between USA and MMA rules, some differences that are not insurmountable or costly to make either car legal in either sanction, so adopting a common set of rules won't be as hard as adopting a common tire.
Finding a tire supplier like Wayne isn't easy either, he provides a lot more than just rubber to us, he provides an invaluable service.
I know for sure that this issue is keeping at least one promoter awake at night thinking about what he is going to do, or be able to do, for us as a mod division.
And, I know I for one am staying awake at night trying to figure out where I am going to come up with enough money to fund my tire habit for this year, no matter which tire we run.
And, in truth, our current asphalt sanction body for many of us has done us no favors in not getting and or trying their dead level best to lock up as many asphalt tracks in this state as they can. Surely, there will be some that won't come on board, but just two years ago, there were at least six asphalt tracks on board, last year just two, this year maybe only one. That in itself says something is terribly wrong, and it isn't the chosen tire.
A champion for the asphalt mods in this state could and would be out working all of the asphalt tracks and trying, through leverage, sponsorship, showing some payback for membership for that track, working to get more and more of them together. Its a damn shame that two tracks within 60 miles of each other don't have the same sanction body for their mods, which would mean the same tire, which would mean opened doors for travel directed teams.
This is a watershed year for some asphalt mods, and in a few weeks a direction will become clearer. Until then, we still need to be thinking of what it is that can keep us whole as a premier division.
I know I will be running one track regularly, and hope to haul to some others just for the experience, but again, I have to consider where I can run dependent upon the tire that the track runs.
That, or I need a sponsor that doesn't mind funding a voracious appetite for rubber.
have a good day,