pmcnamara
Aug 12 2007, 04:02 PM
Juan Pablo Montoya gets taken out by Martin Treux Jr, slides into the #29 of Kevin Harvick and Harvick jumps out of the car and starts screaming at Juan who's checking out the damage on his #42 car.
Juan Pablo grabs a hold of Harvick's helmet, gives him a shove (or two) and Harvick keeps chirping away like a small dog. Montoya heads back towards his car, Harvick follows, mouth running the whole time, and JP turns back goes nose-to-nose with Kevin, then give him a two handed push and basically challenges him to a throw down.
Harvick keeps yapping till the NASCAR guys show up.. then acts like he needs to be restrained to keep from going at Juan.
WHAT AN FREAKING LOSER !! He had a solid 30 to 45 seconds if he wanted to throw down and all he did was run his yap and get pushed around by a guy 50 lbs lighter and 6 inches shorter then he is. Lost an incredible amount of respect for this fraud today... all bark and no bite.
cpracer
Aug 12 2007, 04:35 PM
Maybe he did his best to show some restraint????
Also Truex didnt wreck Montoya, Montoya wrecked himself by blocking 4 lanes across the track so nobody to blame but himself.
MaddMike
Aug 12 2007, 04:52 PM
QUOTE(cpracer @ Aug 12 2007, 05:35 PM) [snapback]93910[/snapback]
Maybe he did his best to show some restraint????
Also Truex didnt wreck Montoya, Montoya wrecked himself by blocking 4 lanes across the track so nobody to blame but himself.
I disagree. He did move down to block, but he moved down at the same time Truex did and it was way earlier in the straigtaway. Truex should have known better than to try and drive into 1 that deep at that angle with a car in front of him.... Or maybe Truex just ran out of brakes.
Either way, Montoya was squarely ahead of Truex, and it wasn't as if he turned down to block and took himself out on the nose of Truex's car. Tuex simply mis-judged the brake zone or ran out of brakes.
Mike
fastforward
Aug 12 2007, 05:57 PM
I'm with Claude on this one. I believe Harvick knew if he pushed, punched or whatever then he would end up in "NASCAR trouble". A fight with Montoya would be horrible for the new NASCAR diverstiy image crap that they try to spew upon us.
Montoya blocked the entire width of the straight and Truex wasn't happy to say the least. I don't think Truex ran out of brakes, I think he didn't use them and for good reason.
kaiserfan
Aug 12 2007, 06:43 PM
I agree with Claude also but Harvick did say in hes interview later he wanted to kick his a** is all talk and no action
pitcrew2003
Aug 12 2007, 06:47 PM
I agree, Montoya was flat out blocking. He wasn't racing, he admitted that the gearing they used was bad for restarts so to not lose spots he choose to drive like an idiot. Harvick has already been suspended once in his career and he knows if he would've "kicked his ass" he would've been sitting for a few races and missed the Chase.
I was hoping to see a replay, sort of, of the 1979 Daytona 500 but with 2 RCR drivers against one Ganassi driver.
kaiserfan
Aug 12 2007, 07:01 PM
Personaly i think Delana could take Kevin
MaddMike
Aug 13 2007, 07:29 AM
It's common practice. If you have a slow car, you probably wouldn't block.... But if you have a FAST car that just isn't real good on restarts, every one of them is going to defend the position. I say defend, because in my opinion, blocking and chopping kind of go together. Montoya didn't swerve over because Truex was next to him, he swerved to defend and he moved over at the same time or even before Truex.
A very acceptable defensive maneuver IMO.
Mike
pmcnamara
Aug 13 2007, 07:35 AM
Justified or un-justified.. Harvick was all bark and no bite.
My issue isn't that he didn't throw down.. I realize if he had, he risked suspension.. though I'm quite confident that JP would have kicked his ass.
My issue is Harvick yapped like a foo-foo dog and waited till there were 3 NASCAR officials "holding him back" before he acted like he needed to be restrained.
He's just a bhiney little witch and after last weekend in Montreal when he booted Ron Fellows just shows there's Karma among the racing gods.
cpracer
Aug 13 2007, 07:37 AM
I agree that it happens but if you move that far across and block and then get run into, well thats a problem. Juan had issues hitting other people in the race too, plus the previous stuff he has caused at Mexico and the Charlotte deal.
Boy needs to chill out.
MaddMike
Aug 13 2007, 08:37 AM
He's got heart and determination. Can you blame him? He's going through a difficult transition. Yelley hasn't been able to do it, but Juan Pablo is doing a pretty darn good job IMO.
I very much respect Juan for not taking Harvick's B.S.
Mike
PFD
Aug 13 2007, 09:12 AM
His nickname wasn't always "Happy" Remember when it was "Hot Head Harvick". He just likes the drama.
As for Who did what or who shoudn't have been there. I'm sure from where Harvick was sittin he could have said "boy I think they might just wreck ahead of me". He could have prepped a little better for it.
Good for Juan though, how long are you supposed to sit back and take all the crap. The guy has proven himself in everything he has drove. Just this is by the far the heaviest of the racing vehicles he's driven. I'm going to have to say that maybe Harvick should have thrown down. All he ever does is get their face. One of these days someone is going to Jimmy Spencer him. (When Spencer walked up to Kurt Busch's car and wholloped him the eye) Thought that was just funny, Kurt deserved it.
Just my 2 cents.....take that back 1 cent. Don't want to spend it all in one place.
Perry
cpracer
Aug 13 2007, 09:28 AM
I dont agree about Juan, he caused that huge wreck at Charlotte and after the race he said, I dont know what those guys' problem is, I only wrecked 1 guy. The other guys wrecked on their own.
He also caused a wreck with Tont Stewart and the whole thing with his teammate and in every case he never accepted the blame even though they were his fault.
I dont like his attitude or the new diversity program that Nascar forces down people throat.
HRT187
Aug 13 2007, 09:31 AM
I just refuse to see where violence is the correct way to do anything in this sport. Telling someone what you think of them is one thing, but "throwing down" over it is pretty stupid, at any level. It doesn't prove a thing to me.
BYRDRACERS
Aug 13 2007, 05:18 PM
QUOTE(MaddMike @ Aug 13 2007, 11:37 PM) [snapback]93995[/snapback]
He's got heart and determination. Can you blame him? He's going through a difficult transition. Yelley hasn't been able to do it, but Juan Pablo is doing a pretty darn good job IMO.
I very much respect Juan for not taking Harvick's B.S.
Mike
You can do all that blocking in open wheel cars-but you see what happens in a stock car. YOU GET THE CROME BUMPER. JMO
fastbruce88
Aug 13 2007, 06:54 PM
QUOTE(BYRDRACERS @ Aug 13 2007, 06:18 PM) [snapback]94061[/snapback]
You can do all that blocking in open wheel cars-but you see what happens in a stock car. YOU GET THE CROME BUMPER. JMO
Its called the Chrome Horn
team80mi
Aug 14 2007, 08:24 PM
QUOTE(HRT187 @ Aug 14 2007, 12:31 AM) [snapback]94001[/snapback]
I just refuse to see where violence is the correct way to do anything in this sport. Telling someone what you think of them is one thing, but "throwing down" over it is pretty stupid, at any level. It doesn't prove a thing to me.
very will said and now lets go racing.
KCR87
Aug 14 2007, 10:25 PM
I guess none of my favorite drivers will ever get love on this site.... HAHA!
d3man
Aug 16 2007, 01:28 PM
Montoya blocked,he's hit a lot of cars this year,he CAN drive but when will someone show him the fence,he kinda looks like cole trickle,hitting everything but the pace car,I think Harvick showed he has grown up a lot,He wanted to say his piece then go but the little hot head from columbia put his hand on harvick which used to be a fine or probation,did any of that happen?Delana as hot as she is could whoop that juan pablo's butt,the dude is what 5ft 1?
KCT-11
Aug 16 2007, 01:39 PM
QUOTE(d3man @ Aug 17 2007, 04:28 AM) [snapback]94490[/snapback]
Montoya blocked,he's hit a lot of cars this year,he CAN drive but when will someone show him the fence,he kinda looks like cole trickle,hitting everything but the pace car,I think Harvick showed he has grown up a lot,He wanted to say his piece then go but the little hot head from columbia put his hand on harvick which used to be a fine or probation,did any of that happen?Delana as hot as she is could whoop that juan pablo's butt,the dude is what 5ft 1?
don, ht. is not a factor. look at claude, he is only about 4ft 8 and i wouldn't mess with him!
Kevin 05
Aug 16 2007, 02:10 PM
Hay,,,, Delana can take me anytime she'd like,,,, But your right I think she is like Theresa,,, they both run/ran the show.
TT22KH
Aug 16 2007, 02:53 PM
They all block down the stretch at the Glen, why do you think that everytime there is a restart there are cars 2-3 wide? Its not just Montoya. Truex probably just wanted to move Montoya out of the way, not run him into Harvick.
What Montoya did was not dirty, and what Truex did wasn't really dirty either. It was a bad racing accident. If it were Stewart that moved down to block Truex everyone would be on here calling Truex a dirt you-know-what, but since its Montoya everyone takes this opportunity to jump him, again.
He has had what, less than 50 stock car starts? Give the guy a break. I'll give you the wreck at Mexico and Charlotte, but other than that they have all been "racing accidents."
MaddMike
Aug 16 2007, 09:26 PM
I missed Truex's explanation of what happened. Did they interview him?
Mike
Dennis ONeil
Aug 18 2007, 02:23 PM
Patrick,
Juan Pablo put a cheap block on Truex when the problem was his gear did not allow him to accelerate well on restarts(this is what Juan and his car owner both said).
Yes he got bumped. He should have, it was a stupid stunt for a slow acelerating car.
Getting bumped did not cause the wreck with Harvick. Juan had gained considerable speed by the corner but had a poor (low) line and could not take the corner at that speed with out pushing way up the track. It was simply a case of Juan Pablo running into someone AGAIN due to his lack of experience in full body race cars. He needs to remember that he is a rookie in Nextel Cup Racing.
When they got out of the cars it was Juan Pablo that got all aggressive and pushy.
Maybe they should give Juan Pablo a time out until he learns to drive with and not into the experienced cup drivers.
MaddMike
Aug 18 2007, 07:09 PM
QUOTE(Dennis ONeil @ Aug 18 2007, 03:23 PM) [snapback]94690[/snapback]
Patrick,
Juan Pablo put a cheap block on Truex when the problem was his gear did not allow him to accelerate well on restarts(this is what Juan and his car owner both said).
Yes he got bumped. He should have, it was a stupid stunt for a slow acelerating car.
Getting bumped did not cause the wreck with Harvick. Juan had gained considerable speed by the corner but had a poor (low) line and could not take the corner at that speed with out pushing way up the track. It was simply a case of Juan Pablo running into someone AGAIN due to his lack of experience in full body race cars. He needs to remember that he is a rookie in Nextel Cup Racing.
When they got out of the cars it was Juan Pablo that got all aggressive and pushy.
Maybe they should give Juan Pablo a time out until he learns to drive with and not into the experienced cup drivers.
I gotta disagree with you Dennis. What Juan did pulling down to defend was perfectly acceptable and the normal thing to do on restarts there. He didn't chop down on Tuex, he moved down as soon as the green flag waved. Truex could have passed on the outside before the corner if he was faster.
After Truex hit him, he was trying to save the car and was totally unable to brake for the corner because he was fighting to keep the car in a straight line. Looked like Juan was trying to slow down a little extra because of the bad angle on the entry and maybe thats why Truex hit him. Either way, he had no way to control the car or slow it down after he was rear ended.
And as for being aggressive towards Harvick, I don't know if I can blame him at all. I don't take lightly to people rushing me and screaming at me for something that was not my fault. He grabbed Harvick's helmet as if to say "shut up for a minute so I can tell you what happened".
Mike
circusracer
Aug 19 2007, 12:32 AM
QUOTE(MaddMike @ Aug 18 2007, 08:09 PM) [snapback]94705[/snapback]
I gotta disagree with you Dennis. What Juan did pulling down to defend was perfectly acceptable and the normal thing to do on restarts there. He didn't chop down on Tuex, he moved down as soon as the green flag waved. Truex could have passed on the outside before the corner if he was faster.
After Truex hit him, he was trying to save the car and was totally unable to brake for the corner because he was fighting to keep the car in a straight line. Looked like Juan was trying to slow down a little extra because of the bad angle on the entry and maybe thats why Truex hit him. Either way, he had no way to control the car or slow it down after he was rear ended.
And as for being aggressive towards Harvick, I don't know if I can blame him at all. I don't take lightly to people rushing me and screaming at me for something that was not my fault. He grabbed Harvick's helmet as if to say "shut up for a minute so I can tell you what happened".
Mike
I concur totally with you Mike.
brandon
Aug 19 2007, 12:49 AM
QUOTE(cpracer @ Aug 13 2007, 09:35 AM) [snapback]93910[/snapback]
Maybe he did his best to show some restraint????
Also Truex didnt wreck Montoya, Montoya wrecked himself by blocking 4 lanes across the track so nobody to blame but himself.
THANK YOU I Agree With Claude Could Not Of Said It Better MySelf.
MaddMike
Aug 19 2007, 09:55 AM
QUOTE(brandon @ Aug 19 2007, 01:49 AM) [snapback]94750[/snapback]
THANK YOU I Agree With Claude Could Not Of Said It Better MySelf.
If you guys were watching anything other than Montoya, you'd have seen that the
entire pack of cars from about 10th back fanned out 4 wide all the way accross the track. That's what they do there.
It looked like a pony stock start with a full invert....

Mike
scotty_dog
Aug 19 2007, 10:02 AM
Was Montoya blocking or getting out of the way?
ckdflag
Aug 19 2007, 11:36 AM
That's what I was thinking too, looked to me like they both went down there at the same time, so he may have gone down there to get out of the way because he knows his starts were bad. The other ? I have is why wasn't Harvick penalized or even called to the NASCAR trailer after the race? Seems like if anybody else would have gone to another persons car to try and start a fight they would have been penalized.
Ken
circusracer
Aug 20 2007, 07:16 AM
QUOTE(MaddMike @ Aug 16 2007, 10:26 PM) [snapback]94543[/snapback]
I missed Truex's explanation of what happened. Did they interview him?
Mike
This is taken from Nascar.com:
What happened last week at Watkins Glen was epic NASCAR, a terribly entertaining race highlighted by an ultimately harmless shoving match between Montoya and Harvick, both taken out in a wreck with 17 laps to go (watch video). Montoya, who hasn't backed down from anyone or anything all season, was blamed by many for starting the incident by trying to block Martin Truex Jr., even though the Dale Earnhardt Inc. driver said at Michigan that he "took full responsibility" for the initial contact, and even tried to reach Montoya on the telephone last week.
pmcnamara
Aug 20 2007, 08:02 AM
QUOTE(circusracer @ Aug 20 2007, 08:16 AM) [snapback]94844[/snapback]
This is taken from Nascar.com:
What happened last week at Watkins Glen was epic NASCAR, a terribly entertaining race highlighted by an ultimately harmless shoving match between Montoya and Harvick, both taken out in a wreck with 17 laps to go (watch video). Montoya, who hasn't backed down from anyone or anything all season, was blamed by many for starting the incident by trying to block Martin Truex Jr., even though the Dale Earnhardt Inc. driver said at Michigan that he "took full responsibility" for the initial contact, and even tried to reach Montoya on the telephone last week.
Vindication.
MaddMike
Aug 20 2007, 08:08 AM
QUOTE(circusracer @ Aug 20 2007, 08:16 AM) [snapback]94844[/snapback]
This is taken from Nascar.com:
What happened last week at Watkins Glen was epic NASCAR, a terribly entertaining race highlighted by an ultimately harmless shoving match between Montoya and Harvick, both taken out in a wreck with 17 laps to go (watch video). Montoya, who hasn't backed down from anyone or anything all season, was blamed by many for starting the incident by trying to block Martin Truex Jr., even though the Dale Earnhardt Inc. driver said at Michigan that he "took full responsibility" for the initial contact, and even tried to reach Montoya on the telephone last week.
Another perfect example of how everyone watching tv knew exactly what happened before they even hear from the guy who took responsibility for it...
And every opinion I've read is based pretty much on which driver that person likes better.
Mike
PFD
Aug 20 2007, 09:17 AM
agreed!
(nodding) I think Harvick thought that because he is who he is he could get in Juans face. Juan might be getting a little tired of being blamed for crap because he's an outsider. The guy has proven himself practically as a racing prodigy, Harvick is good, but he's been in the right spot at the right time a lot. They all deserve a round of applause for getting there, however they got there. Even Herm (Kenny Wallace) He just cracks me up.
pmcnamara
Aug 21 2007, 10:18 AM
From Lap 13 of the MIS race
Harvick on Montoya : "He's a freak'n idiot.. its not a matter of if he's going to wreck, but when he's going to wreck. Hopefully he's too busted up to get back out of the garage"
pmcnamara
Jun 22 2008, 07:46 PM
QUOTE (pmcnamara @ Aug 21 2007, 11:18 AM)

Harvick on Montoya : "He's a freak'n idiot.. its not a matter of if he's going to wreck, but when he's going to wreck. Hopefully he's too busted up to get back out of the garage"
I wonder if they'll be saying the same things about the #29 this week.. what a disaster this guy is on road courses..
ckdflag
Jun 22 2008, 09:18 PM
HAHAHA, That is the same thing I was thinking when he went in the corner way to hard and caused the chain accident!!!
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