Here is what has been voted in for 2008. These rules are in addition to the rest of 2007, but want the changes to get out to the drivers.

General Safety and Information
8. NO ELECTRONIC TRACTION CONTROL- if caught, minimum 2 year suspension from racing at the Whittemore Speedway.
9. NO WHINING RULE- If you as driver or a crew member complain to an official or tech man about a competitors car or components, your car will be inspected first then the process will begin on the competitors car. This applies to anytime your car is at the speedway.

Mini Stocks
BODY- Gutted hood panels allowed or sheet metal replacement. Strut tower forward may be repaired or replaced with tubing to repair frame rails that have been collapsed. If alterations have been performed, 10 lbs of ballast painted white with car number and securely fastened with 1/2 in bolts on both sides in front of towers at stock rail height.
ENGINE- Stock diameter valves and springs. Single wire springs with flat wire damper allowed. EFI intake allowed. Hyd. cam with max lift of 460-480. Lash caps and aftermarket rockers allowed. No rollers.
EXHAUST- 2 inch OD exhaust the entire length.
SUSPENSION- Camber rule removed front and rear. No cutting or welding of spindles and struts.

LEAD SLEDS
BODY- No aluminum hoods or deck lids allowed.
ENGINE- 9.5 to 1 compression max allowed. Replacement screw in studs (not the hex heads) allowed, GUIDEPLATES NOT ALLOWED. Stock stroke ONLY. 2 inch OD max diameter single exhaust only. You may fabricate your crossover anywhere before the muffler due to availability of stock single exhaust crossovers. NO X PIPES. No made for racing exhaust components. No FLow Master components. No turbo mufflers or glass packs. STOCK ROLLED SEAM MUFFLER WITH A 2 INCH INLET AND 2 INCH OUTLET WITH TURNDOWN FACING THE TRACK.

RIDE HEIGHT- 5 inchs measured at crossmember.
FANS- Aftermarket and electric allowed.
SPOILERS- NOT ALLOWED
WEIGHT RULE- 3550 minimum total weight, 52% max left side weight and 55% FRONT weight with driver in seat after the race. 318 and less cubic inch may be 3450 with the same percentages as above.

FACTORY STOCKS
NEW PAY SCALE
1. $350
2. $300
3. $250
4. $200
5. $175
6. $150
7. $135
8. $120
9. $110
10TH ON BACK $100

BODY- Must retain a stock steel roof skin and top 3 inches of fenders and rear quarters (do not have to match the chassis).
ENGINE- Any cast iron straight plug head
WEIGHT AND TIRES- OEM 70 series radial 3100 lbs, Leaf cars 3200 lbs.
Hoosier 970 3200 lbs, Leaf cars 3300 lbs. Leaf spring cars 54% left and 50% rear and Coil spring cars 55% left with driver in the seat after the race.
FRAME- Altered frame length must weigh 3300lbs with 54% left and 50% rear with driver in the seat after the race.
SMALL METRIC CHASSIS- Allowed the minimum weight rule for the tire used.
SUSPENSION- Rear screwjacks allowed, NO FRONT SCREWJACKS.
TRANSMISSION- TBA, currently working with Mike Kern to have the stick shifts allowed at Dixie.

MODIFIEDS
NEW START PAY IS $150
ENGINE- Aluminum heads add 100 lbs.
ENGINE- Carburated crate engine allowed unpenalized.
SUSPENSION- NO WEIGHT PENALTY FOR ADJUSTABLE CENTER LINK.
BODY- Rule U has been removed.

LIMITED LATE MODELS
NEW START PAY IS $150
DIXIE template rule will be added to rulebook

REMEMBER THESE ARE ONLY THE CHANGES, KEEP CHECKING IN THE RULES SECTION TO BE ADDED INTO THE RULE BOOK.

Hope to see ya in 2008!!

Andy

Wow..........It looks like I'll have a new track to visit on Saturday's!

I hope your changes raise the car count even more!

looks like ill have 2 tracks to run next year,,i get sick of one,ill go to the other..that would make all ls almost even..might grab more cars from dixie and ac

please dont change to manuals... i dont have another 1000 to spend on one!! just spend enough for the powerglide i have

ANDY,
IS RULE U ?
U. No farther in than 2” from fender to sail panel.

AND WHERE DO THESE CHANGES FALL WITH M-CAR AFFILIATION?

ROGER

We have ran sticks for 3 years.

sticks for the factory stocks is a very stupid move this will make the division cost go up sky high trans tilton clutch pedal cylinder looking at 1500 easy

Would you rather sink 1500 in something that costs more to race, and replace? You can build a homade clutch setup for a hundred bucks. So ya know, the cost has came down for us when we started running them.

can you build a homemade flywheel or trans or mini clutch? NO you are still looking at big bucks powerglide with torque converter around 6-750 manual trans setup 1000-1500 depends on what you buy bert brinn or tilton an yes it does matter any rotating weight you can cut back on makes power

It has to be stock clutch,flywheel set-up. No racing transmissions

Mike buy a Late Model it will probably be cheaper.

Tire soak?????

so would that include a aluminum 4 speed with first an second taken out and then the rest gun drilled an lightened an then define stock on the clutch,,, size? or color? receipt from auto parts store how do they police it you have to remember when you invite others into your sand box not everyone will play nice some will build sand castles with ya others will make you eat the sand castle

Yep that was when they ran Reggettas $150 to win no one went nuts with expensive parts was a good class to race in.

No one went nuts with expensive parts and the winning pay was 150? Which class was this? Keep in mind some of us do know who ran what and when.

Jeff have you read the post everyone in the class said more money to race, the posts here all say more money to race. I have drove the 100 plus miles four for years each weekend, that gets old after a while. This year was better with three less weeks in the season, I hate reading post about tire soaking and negative posts about manual trans that are aimed at the Whittemore Soeedway. But i also hate it when people that you have come to know over a four year oeriod will not be able to race because of a poor decision in MY OPINION by the WRC. I respect the people that raced on the regettas as for the people that wouldnt and kept their cars home, or raced as a led sled no respet from me. I hope this works for the FS class this year. See you at the Banquet.

Jerry, Everyone can still race. We opened up the tire rules even more. If a guy has no money for tires he can find some to run. The invite was won this year on used non soaked tiresThe right sides came off our limited and onto his factory stock. The start pay will help all of the guys that may not have been weekly winners. Nobody has start any higher for a factory stock. This rules package was a comprimise in all beliefs somewhat to try and grow the class. If it would have stayed the same it would have withered and fell off the vine. It cannot be argued that regattas maintained a healthy car count throughout the summer. 2 weeks of less than 6 at feature time is not a healthy long term number. Time will tell if this was the right decision or not. If you guys are really considering late models I don't think it will be more affordable than this class. The motor that Derek blew up at last years invite is pretty much standard late model components these days. It also is found in many factory stocks. Even at Whittemore. Nobody ever likes change very much unless it is exactly what they want. Our tire rule excluded many, many people that wanted to come to our facility. I got phone calls every single week from people that were unhappy at other places asking about our rule package in factory stocks. That is the truth. Nate is a good enough driver where an additional sponsor to help with expenses is not out of the question. I would be more than happy to help him find some.

Jeff we have made a deal to go to the LM. class for next year. I feel lucky to be able to do that, but also have a respect for those that cannot do that. After having a car in the FS. class where their is some leway in the rules for adjustments and motors. going back to the Led Sled or Mini Stocks didnt seem an option. As me and Nate were talking last nite this is his one chance, stay out a trouble learn and maybe by season championship nite he might be able to run with the big boys.

here are the 2007 Factory stock rules,,

Factory Stock Rules

Body: Any American made car\truck with 108 inch or longer wheelbase is required. Convertibles, four-wheel drive and compacts are not allowed. The body must be stock appearing and be made of steel. Fenders must remain stock from 3-inches below the bodyline up. Hoods, door skins,quarters and trunks, may be made of Aluminum. Fiberglass hoods are allowed. Aftermarket nosepiece allowed. 5-inches ground clearance minimum. No cutting of the floorboard. Boxed interiors are not allowed. The interior must be stripped to the sheet metal. All cars must be completely and neatly painted. 12-inch tall x 3-inch wide numbers of contrasting color must be located on both sides of the car and on the roof facing the outside of the track. A white 6-inch tall x 1-inch wide number must be located on the upper passenger side windshield. Wings and spoilers are not allowed. All doors must be bolted, welded or chained shut. All glass must be removed, Lexan windshield is mandatory and only window allowed. Mirrors are not allowed. Spoiler: A Lexan spoiler is allowed. Dimensions not to exceed 6" high and length of trunklid. No vertical support allowed.

Battery: Only one battery is allowed. The battery must be securely mounted outside of the Driver’s compartment. A battery disconnect is mandatory and must be in easy reach of the Driver and Track Officials.

Brakes: Four-wheel OEM hydraulic brakes are mandatory and must be in good working condition. No aftermarket or made for racing components, except for one front to rear proportioning valve. Rear Wheel disc brakes are allowed, single piston calipers only. Aftermarket mounting brackets are allowed for rear calipers.

Bumpers: Steel bumpers only. The bumpers do not have to match the make and year of the car. Aluminum bumpers are not allowed. Bumper ends must be rounded off, no sharp edges. Minimum of 1 ¾ diameter pipe.

Drive Axles/Differential: Must be stock. Ford 9" Allowed-NO aluminum housings. Can be welded, posi-traction or limited slip. Floaters and quick changes are not allowed.

Engine: Solid steel mounts are allowed. Forward most sparkplug must be inline or ahead of upper ball-joint centerline, no tolerance. Stock cast iron block and heads Stock casting #'s only angle plug GM heads are not allowed. Altering-Porting of the intake and exhaust runners is not allowed. 360 cubic inch 11:1 compression, no weight. 360 cubic inch with more than 11:1 compression, add 75 pounds. Over 360 cubic inch to include de-stroked 400 cubic inch add 150 pounds. Roller rockers and stud girdles are allowed. Roller camshafts are not allowed. Any flat tappet hydraulic camshaft can be used hydraulic or solid lifter with stock lifter bore. Stock un-altered Rochester 2 GC 2-barrel carburetor or Holley 4412, or Rochester 4-barrel carburetor allowed with stock cast iron intake and exhaust manifolds. A maximum bore of the throttle plate is 1.687. Stock or Edelbrock Performer intake part number 2101 or 2116 manifolds for Vortec heads allowed. Edelbrock 2181 intake part number for Fords. Stock battery operated ignition system is allowed, magnetos are not allowed. Open-air cleaners 4-inches tall x 14-inches in diameter are allowed. Flow control type air cleaners are not allowed. The air cleaner cannot protrude through the hood. Air boxes are not allowed. Engine Coolant: Water only. No anti-freeze. Engine Starters: All cars must have a working starter at all times.

Exhaust: Stock cast iron exhaust manifolds or 1 5/8-inch OD under chassis headers are allowed. Dual exhaust with a maximum size of 2 ½ OD and single exhaust with a cross over pipe is allowed. The exhaust pipe must exit behind the driver and under the card with turndowns. Maximum allowable noise level is 100 decibel.

Fuel System: All cars must have a fuel cell securely mounted in the trunk area of the car. A 20-gage steel firewall must separate the trunk and Drivers compartment. Fuel lines cannot run through the Drivers compartment. Electric fuel pumps are not allowed. The fuel cell must have a minimum of 8-inches of ground clearance. Fuel: Pump gas only, no additives are allowed

Frame: Must be stock to the model of the car from the nose of the car to the centerline of the rear end. See the Suspension rule for any allowable modifications.

Radiator: Any radiator is allowed. The radiator must be mounted in the stock location. Any re-enforcement to protect the radiator must be mounted behind the grill. A one (1) gallon catch-can must be mounted on the firewall in the engine compartment.

Roll Cage: All cars must have a minimum six (6) point roll cage system made of 1 ¾ inch diameter .095 wall thickness steel tubing that is welded to the frame of the car. Front and rear hoops are allowed. Four (4) Driver-side sissy bars made of the same size and type of roll cage material must be securely mounted to the roll cage to protect the Driver during side impact. A steel plate 18 x 24 x 1/8 must be mounted to the sissy bars to protect the Driver. All bars around the Driver must be padded with made for racing roll bar padding. Three 3/8-inch diameter steel rods must be mounted behind the windshield and directly in front of the driver.
Rub Rails: Allowed. 1 x 1 steel tubing or Lexan. Rub rails must be securely mounted to the body. The ends of the rub rail must be rounded off and welded shut. Kick-outs are not allowed.

Shocks: One stock type steel shock per wheel. The shocks must be mounted in the stock locations.

Suspension: Must be stock components for model and year of frame. Front upper arms may be moved in or out no altering of the mount, lower arms must be in stock location. Adjustable spring spacers are allowed. Screw jacks are not allowed. Any coil spring with a minimum diameter of 5-inches is allowed. Drop spindles are not allowed. Trailing arm and leaf spring pivot points can be relocated but not adjustable.

Tires: Goodyear Regatta 75-series tires are mandatory.

Transmission: Automatic Transmissions must have a working torque converter with two forward gears and reverse .No direct drives. Or stock manual transmission with stock pressure plate, flywheel and clutch. Must have a scatter shield. No aluminum or lightweight flywheels. Drive Shafts: Made of Steel only. Must be painted white. Front and rear drive-shaft hoops made of solid steel are required. Aluminum drive shafts are not allowed.

Weight: Cars with wheelbase of 116-inches or more must weigh 3300 lbs. Cars with wheelbase of 112-115 inches must weigh 3350 lbs. Cars with wheelbase of 111 or less must weigh 3400 lbs. All weights are measured with the Driver in the seat after the race, 55% maximum left side weight, zero tolerances. Leaf spring cars 54% left side weight 50% rear weight. All added weight must be painted white and securely mounted to the car using ½ inch bolts. A minimum of 8-inches ground clearance for the added weight.

18. Wheels: Steel made for racing wheels only. 8-inch maximum width. Wheel studs must be ½-inch minimum with 1-inch hex lug nuts.
Carbon-fiber components: not allowed
Window Nets: Approved driver side window net with a quick release mechanism securely mounted to the roll cage is mandatory.

Carburetor Claim Rule

Carburetor can be claimed for $250.00. The Driver and or Owner of the car competing in two previous features are eligible to claim carburetors. The claimer must exchange the carburetor from his car at that time for the carburetor that is being claimed. Failure to accept claim results in loss of points for the year and money for that night. If the claimers carburetor is not an exact match and fails to perform as decided by the Tech Inspector the claim is voided. The claim must be made within 5-minutes of the end of the feature event to the Tech Inspector. Drivers/Owner cannot make carburetor claims in the top five of the point system as of the date of the claim. Carburetors cannot be claimed one week prior to Mid-Season or Season Championship.


Engine Tear Down Rule

You can tear down only (2) engines per racing season. Any engine can be torn down for $200.00 US funds. $150.00 goes to the protested car if deemed legal, $50.00 goes to tech inspectors either way.You cannot back out of this process once the money has been presented to the Tech Inspector. The request must be made within 5-minutes of the completion of the feature race. A Driver that competed in the feature race or the Car Owner may tear down an engine. If the requested party refuses to have the engine torn down all money won for that night are forfeited, all accumulated points to date are forfeited and the Driver is barred from competition for 2 consecutive weeks. If anyone refuses to tear down an engine two times during a racing season they will lose all points for the year and will not be eligible to compete for the remaining racing season.

here is a link to a topic on lots of chassis tech,,,,

http://www.mstrc.com/index.php?showtopic=3413

I am confused,,for 2008 what is the rear suspension rule?

Are leafs OK on a Chevelle frame?

are 3 links OK on the rear?

can a guy run a 1965 to 1970 Impala chassis( that comes stock with a 3 link) with a camaro body? and can they also graft on a Camaro front clip too?

Why can't Mopars run a Ford or GM frame?

We are not trying to promote a sportsman class here. This is still factory stock with a minor exception of allowing some of the cars that have been shortened a couple inches but are basic stock oem all in one design to remain the cars of choice. Whittemore tried allowing mixing and matching of components around the year 2001 or so. A few took on the challenge and were fast. This was basically done as an answer to the car that Curt Olar owns now. It was a dominate car in the sportsman class at that time. Its a great, beautiful car. The people that built it did their homework and came up with a winning combination.

The problem ended up being a few folks built cars that would compete. The rest just parked their stuff. Folks in that market at that level were not motivated enough to become experts at geometry combinations to try and beat it. When it came out the class had about 24 or so regular cars. After the mix and match scenario it went down to 5 some nights. A big crash ended their season and the class.

The rules that you posted are our last seasons rules. They have not been amended on the website or even printed up yet. I dont want a bunch of confusion to erupt from people getting a partial understanding.


For 2008 we are allowing basic factory stock cars. A weight penalty will be assigned if they have an altered wheelbase.

We are not advertising this as a class that Dixie and Auto City are already doing well with (their sportsman)

There are no panhards, jbars or 3 or 4 links with a panhard allowed. No frankenstein mixed and matched variations. It is going to just complicate an already beaten dead horse. I have some business that will take me away from these discussion sites for a while now. Our rules are done- voted on and a good pay increase in place. That will be the end of input from myself as Whittemores president for the remainder of my term until November 1st. Thank you to all that have participated at the speedway this year.

Thanks for the clarifaction,,,

IMHO, it looks like the car to run would be a leaf spring car,,,Camaro, Nova,

Or,, a 1997 to 2001 Ford crown Vic

150 to 350 dollars to win will bring out some of the rule fudgers or the grey colored glasses

i dug out a old 3 speed out of the back yard broke it loose dumped new oil (7.50) in it bought a new stock clutch (75.00) sanded a flywheel i found under the bench (1.00) got a shatter shield bellhousing (75.00) and made a pedel out of a piece of steel i had in the shop hmmmm i think that is less then 1500 bucks

As long as the track enforces a stock transmission with a stock clutch it shouldn't be a problem. But then again how many guys have trick power glides that are direct drive with a dummy converter?

why steel roof? If you have to make a minimum weight and its not a safety thing then why not five star fiberglass?

my low (10.5:1 comp) should be a fair offset for screwjacks, relocated shocks and a fiberglass roof. what is the compression rule?

"We are not trying to promote a sportsman class here. This is still factory stock with a minor exception of allowing some of the cars that have been shortened a couple inches but are basic stock oem all in one design to remain the cars of choice. Whittemore tried allowing mixing and matching of components around the year 2001 or so. A few took on the challenge and were fast. This was basically done as an answer to the car that Curt Olar owns now. It was a dominate car in the sportsman class at that time. Its a great, beautiful car. The people that built it did their homework and came up with a winning combination.

The problem ended up being a few folks built cars that would compete. The rest just parked their stuff. Folks in that market at that level were not motivated enough to become experts at geometry combinations to try and beat it. When it came out the class had about 24 or so regular cars. After the mix and match scenario it went down to 5 some nights. A big crash ended their season and the class."

I agree that this car caused the rule change to allow the mismatch. The car got so much forward bite that "it wasn't fair" The result was that nobody put this Ford straight four link under thier car. This car was fast because of high cross weight and low rotating weight. Thats why this car flew off the corners. Dale contributed to its success as well as the owner/crew chief, Bob One more reason this car dominated the first two years was because it was on new tires for every feature in a time when new tires were worth a lot. Most competitors could afford to run new tires every week.
I hate the mismatch rule and wish it would go away at Dixie. I haven't been exactly setting the world on fire with this car the last three years though I probably would have done better if Kyle would quit pulling my plug wires off.

so could you run a 98 and up crownvic/towncar/marquis? it does have a 3 link. it is stock. and with a weight penalty it can be shortened to 108 or 110 inch wheel base. it seems to be one of the better ideas for a frame....

I didn't pull them off every week.....sometimes I sent someone else over to do it for me!!

yes you might have but when the other guy spends the buck and all you can see is his back panel cause you cant catch him then you will spend cause no one likes the veiw from second place

superman42.......if i changed to a manual trans that would make me illegal at AC and Dixie. alls im saying is id like to have a chance. i love all the tracs in the area. make foctory stocks like mod's so we can run everywhere, and have a chance.

we run a turbo 350 and a diesel converter. we won a lot more than we thought we would. that cost us......well 30 bucks for the converter. 25 for the new filter and gasket and dipstick tube. and endless amounts of money in trans fluid. we didnt run a vent hose (we didnt know any better) randy murphy also runs an automatic. and theres one guy with a ford that runs an auto.

I wouldn't want to see everything come back from those sportsman rules (2001-2005)
I also meant to state that most competitors could NOT afford new tires. It didn't make much sense to me to spend $400 on tires and $100 on pit passes to win $400. I'm impressed with the new payout which is even better than Dixie Sportsman except first place but only one car will take that top spot. Still it is much more money to the top ten and that is what helps a guy make it back to race next week. If I didn't want to get out racing, I'd come up with a different car. The benefit from engine braking with a stick is going to be the way to go if you can get the other tracks to conform. I could have saved a lot of money on my power glides if a stock clutch had always been inforced. Scott Watkins has a steel roof from a firebird and a nose piece and other parts from an old prostock body that someone mightpick up cheap.
Andy, what is the compression/ cubic inch rule for next year in FS?

I think silverbullet2a doesent know that Whittemore is a handling track and Ed Doutre didnt win the championship with this highly praised clutch and transmission your dreaming about. LET IT GO.

thanks mike

ONly 1965 to 1978 Full sized Fords ( Galaxy, LTD, Merc marquise, and Lincoln towncars ) had a 3 link with a panhard bar.

The 1979 to 1996 Full sized Fords ( Crown Vic, Merc marquise, and Lincoln towncars ) had a copied GM's front and rear suspension,,,the rear suspension is just like a GM chassis, 4 angled control arms and no pan hard bar.

The 1997 and up Full sized Fords has a Watts linkage to keep the rear end centered, and has 4 parallel control arms that are mounted straight,,just like on a Dirt late model. This is the Rear suspension that the #72 Dixie Sportsman car runs,,and he ran well.

Arnold.

Well this is a great topic and great reading. They have made their decision right or wrong who knows. I read up in the LM section About the Spartan Speedway trying to lower the cost to race in their SLM and Sportsman Classes, from reading this one would have to assume that the payouts and classes with low car counts, are in jeporady in the coming seasons. And then Whittemore is raising payouts opening rules up to attract more cars? HELLO is something wrong here? Why cant all these tracks come to gether and get rules that everyone can race under . Its not only the two mentioned but all Michigan pavement tracks.

"HELLO is something wrong here? Why cant all these tracks come to gether and get rules that everyone can race under . Its not only the two mentioned but all Michigan pavement tracks."

Here Here Riverman! x2

so horsepower plays no role in racing at whittamore????? well what a relief,,,, now I can put the old pick up truck motor in that has over 200,000 miles on it (that will save me some cash) add oil before every race an whoop any one an everyone wow thanks for the pointer!?!?!?

wat mike is gettin at is the 2006 track champion derek moe. didnt have the fastest car down the straights but when the car went into the corner it rolled through so smooth and turned great and that is where most of the passin at whittemore is done is throught the middle of the corner. so u have to have some motor but not as much as u think. it is more handleing than it is motor at whittemore

Isnt that the case on any quarter-mile? I don't think its just Whittemore.

True that.

silverbullet. whittemore IS a handling track. or at least in my opinion it is. look at my myspace and check out the number 51, that car has over 5,000 laps on it and won the track championship in 01. (least i think it was 01) and we didnt put anything special into the engine. stock crank, stock rods, and a set of untouched camel heads. we ran an auto also.

www.myspace.com/grantcampau go under my pics and look at that car. it won races! ask factorystock70.

all right you guys from Whittemore, we all know that more horsepower doesn't hurt. let's not be naive. Yes it is a handling track and cars like Derek's Caprice and Andy's Camaro and in the nineties, Noffsingers Chevelle proved that handling matters. These aren't the claimer days of the nineties when your motor would be claimed for $500. We all could only run 350 turbo's and only turned 6200-6400 RPM's. Those days are gone and just as well. Claimers sucked. The facts are that in 2007 most FS rules on this side of the state didn't allow sticks. Somebody will have to get off some bucks to switch. We'll just have to wait and see who. Facts are facts. It is a disadvantage to run a working converter/ auto against a stick because of engine braking. Though to be fair, Timmy Near and Kyle ran strong with legal FS cars including working converters.

Grant, who ran this 51 car in 2001 that you are referring to, I don't remember it.

it was either 2000 or 2001. it was the 92 and ran by john blanchard. he ran it for five years. least thats what he told us.

Advantages to race at Whittemore Mini Stock you get some knowledge as to how to set up a car with racing springs and tires that you can get some experience with stagers. THeir light weight and most anyone can handle that in their home garages with light tools. using a rear wheel drive car to learn from in my opiinion is best.

Stock Manual Trans in FS. is less expensive then a Auto now long would they last. Then a aspect that you have to look at is the engine brake and other knowledge you would gain from using one. Dosnt all classes the Mods and LLM. use Manuals. and would that experience help you if you moved up.

I think we can see why track rules will never be the same at all tracks people want to play by their own rules.

the 92 was another car that had corner speed and usually lacked for strait line smoke but John did well with it.

The way I see it.......just take your working converter and whoop all of those sticks. Then its even sweeter!