Here's a great mod motor for sale in the classifieds. Contact Stroker421 for details...

420 SMALL BLOCK WITH 14 DEGREE PRO TOPLINE CAST IRON HEADS
HAS DART LITTLE M BLOCK .040 OVER 400, WITH 3.875 STROKE EAGLE PENDULAM CUT CRANK
EAGLE H-BEAM RODS
CUSTOM DIAMOND PISTONS
BLOCK HAS 50MM ROLLER CAM BEARINGS WITH CUSTOM GROUND CAMSHAFT
HEADS HAVE TITANIUM VALVES WITH ISKY SPRINGS AND TITANIUM RETAINERS
HAS ISKY HIGH TOP LIFTERS
JESEL ROCKER ARMS
SMALL SFI POWER BOND BALANCER
CHAMP OIL PAN, WITH WINDAGE SCREENS AND CRANK SCRAPER
HEADS WERE CNC PORTED THEN MORE PORT WORK DONE BY ROLLAND KENSKE AND PORT MATCHED PRO INTAKE
HAS LESS THAN 10 NIGHTS OF RACING ON IT.
COMES WITH A SET OF HOWE 18 DEGREE CROSSOVER HEADERS, WITH 3 1/2 INCH COLLECTORS.
ASKING 12,500.00 OR BEST. HAVE OVER 20,000.00 INVESTED.


Since used 23 degree aluminum heads aren't allowed.....I guess this is what's needed.

Claude- You told me that these heads were not common and that we would never have to worry about anyone at a local track showing up with them... Looks like it already happened 10 times with this motor.

So- once again, It's too bad Dixie doesn't allow aluminum heads because it would be a lot cheaper to build competitive motors if they were legal.
Mike

Mike I spent 18K on my BRAND NEW 18* Super late model motor.


If I were to sell it right now I would ask $10K for it.


So what you just posted has no relevance to anything. Who else do you know running over 400 C.I.D. in a pavement mod???



Again, it is my opinion that AL heads were not needed in any division.

I would bet you raced against this engine. You were against aluminum heads because of the money it costs to build a SLM motor....but at the same time you and others are racing against a car with more motor than your SLM.

My point is, that if you need that kind of HP for a mod, it would be much cheaper with aluminum heads.

Do you get it yet?

This is a $20k IRON head MOD motor...You spent less on your Aluminum head SLM motor which (I'm quite sure) has a dry sump system and other extras.

So- Before you were saying that ALuminum heads would ruin the modifieds by allowing SLM motors- now you are just saying they are not needed. Which is it?



Mike

Mike,



Go out to that corn field next to Dixie, there is a dead horse there. Beat it.

Is that motor legal in the lead sled division? I just might sell the Windpusher house car and buy a lead sled and put that motor in it. I know the tech guy so he just might let me slide.

'swat i got in mine!

Does this mean I get the big W and the trophy? I've been waiting for this for a long time.


(picture rocky at the top of the stairs right now)

No Mike, it doesnt. I dont want you falling down and busting your ass!

It means since I am only a part time mod racer anymore I dont feel like giving a crap lol

Oh...Dang...That was painful and I don't want to do it again.

I thought I was starting to get somewhere finally. Not just with you,but others as well. Maybe a lot of other teams over there have $6k wrapped up in some trick Iron stuff and they don't want to have it sit around because they "think" they would have to go out and immediately spend the same amount of money on Aluminum heads for what really amounts to no logical reason what-so-ever.

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse. I'm simply insisting that logic must prevail and I will toot this horn until everyone hears it and agrees that it is proper.

Especially now that Dixie is a Saturday track.... Not allowing aluminum heads is ReTArDed.

Mike

How many times did that engine sit in victory lane???????? People can spend all the money they want on an engine, but you can only hook so much up with what little tire you have. Why get upset about it?

Bobby- Your post sums up the entire reason why this discussion continues. You are correct.

Mike

mike, With your logic, why not allow aluminum shocks? My uncle runs a super and has alot of left overs cheap for me! Lets also run a fab clip. Lets put fenders on them to. There is a reason why mods are mods and a reason why I bought one! keep it simple, keep the weight on them. The part everyone forgets is alum heads weigh alot less the cast iron. Putting the weight where you want it is a bigger advantage than the horsepower. Each new mod rule will just fuel the demand for another. Leave it alone so nobody gets hurt! By the way, this year you can run a howe adjustable centerlink with no weight penalty, no big deal but where does it stop. I have watched several classes go this way. LEAVE the mods alone!!!! Its Working!

Ray

You're making it into something that it's not. The aluminum heads are the same cost. The 14 degree cast Iron heads cost more than any aluminum heads I've seen. Iron costs more for ortwork too. All of the other stuff you are talking about costs more, therefore is irrelevant. Shocks should be limited to $100... but the $300/ea shocks are still at the tracks whether they are steel or aluminum.
They might be mods, but they are still race cars. Also think of the guy who has a heavier car who is over weight...or the ford/chrysler guys who don't have aftermarket Iron heads available at all.

The obvious oint, however, is that if a $20,000+ 420 c.i.d. motor is legal for mods, why in the hell would there be a cast iron head rule?

Mike

Wow- it would be nice to have CRA or IMCA come up with a set of rules that everyone uses--so Dixie could pay 1500 on a tuesday night for the guys who run a/c-----not those tracks, just the concept. Steel shocks, a hard tire, a left side weight rule, mirrors, . Then add weight for alum heads, roller cam---and check one of the top three cars EVERY NIGHT---roll a dice, pick a car, and enforce the rule. Illegal locked rear---out. Not declare a cam---out. Taped over schader valves---out.

Plus, the used motors would be worth more since they were not an A/C, toledo or USA Mod motor only.


A yeah, then give a weight break for using effective safety equipment.

The seat guy........

You can buy a aftermarket cast iron version of the aluminum Mopar w-9 head *(same head as the cup guys are using)...fyi BIG HORSEPOWER difference in the w-2 to w-9 head even still being cast iron.

Yep!!!




Very cool. How much do they cost and is there a cheaper alternative made out of aluminum (and not available in cast Iron)?

Mike

I believe the heads were going for around 2,000. Nothing about a dodge motor is cheap....trust me. You can buy aluminum heads *(if the rules allow it) for around the same price...but if you CAN NOT run aluminum heads....ie a limited late model class....then the after market cast iron version are great.