I am curious, do you think the fines and penities were fair to Robby Gordon?

http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headlines/...peal/index.html

I am not a big fan of Robby, don't hate the guy, but yet I pull that he can accomplish success as
a single car owner/driver.

I think that the nose he had was an honest mistake.

Cup Series director John Darby said. "There's no difference, really, in the nose, other than the decal outlines that complement the Charger more than the Avenger. But the nose has not finished due process yet, so they had to put one of the old noses back on the car."

See Darby even said there is really no difference in the two noses.

I dunno, Nascar just seems to be a tad harsh at times.

I think they need to look at Grey areas and need to investigate of possible intent.

Another thing Nascar should have in a 1 chance rule. If the car does not pass inspection the teams should have one more chance to make it right and get inspected again.

That is an inspection right to see if the car they plan on racing is within the rules, they fail they should then be allowed to fix their issue and try inspection again. They fail a 2nd time, then fines and penitlies for sure!

I think it is one of the stupidest fines NASCRAP has ever levied and I think that if it happened to any other driver, they would not have been fined for it as much if at all.

The difference in the 2 nose pieces from what I read is NONE... The newer nose that they accidentally put on simply has different shape outlines molded into it for where the headlight stickers go. So other than cosmetics for headlight outlines, it was exactly the same nose as what was approved.

BS...

What gets me about all this is that the actual infraction happened on February 8th, opening day down there and first inspections. Then we NEVER heard a word about it until after the race, on the 17th. Why??? I actually thought it was a POST RACE infraction until I read the date in that write up. I don't get that.

How can yo be docked 100 points for failing an inspection 9 days before you even race????

That is what does not make any sense. They did not race an illegal car and get points using an illegal car. The car was legal when it raced.

I can understand getting fined of some sort, but the point loss is crazy! Robby had a great finish for his team and was off too a good start until this happened.

I think possibly Na$car has it in for Robby. Though he can be cocky at times, I still pull for him to succeed.

Napcar sucks for doing something like this to ensure no single team owner will ever flourish in thier world. Not corperate enough for them I guess. Its the whole NEXTEL/Motorola thing kicking Robby in the butt. That will teach him to sue NASCAR!

Speed showed the nose during the coverage it was very early in the week. They never talked about it again.

Yes Robbie is getting hosed by Na$car.

I think the only reason they did anything about it is because he ran as well as he did... Had he finished back where he use to,I don't think they would have done a thing.. They just want the big $$$$ guys to keep on going strong,, when the little guy runs up front,, they seem to do all they can to hold them back.. Look at the 35 locked in rule... Qualify them all and the top 42 plus past champion gets in.. Just like Saturday nights.

The question is if this wasn't Robby Gordon would the fine be less significant. Nascar has had it out for him since the beginning lol.

Wow check out Robby's sponsor, they are sure going to bat for him.

That is just too cool...

http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headlines/...ally/index.html

You can sign a petition at Jim Beams site to send to Na$car

http://www.jimbeam.com/beam/v5/racing/irl.aspx

You know what, they are saying that the nose FIT the Templates!!!! What the same hell, so the nose only had decals in the wrong places?

This is VERY confusing. Has any appeal ever went through with Na$car?

From Jayski's:


Dodge Says Mistake Led to Gordon's Penalty: Dodge officials admit a mistake led to Robby Gordon having the wrong nose on his car at Daytona and later being penalized 100 points and $100,000 for the infraction. Kipp Owen, director of Dodge Motorsports Engineering, issued a statement Friday about what happened to Gordon. "While the nose meets the template for the car of tomorrow, it has not yet been approved by NASCAR or use in racing," Owen said in a statement. "The prototype parts were in the warehouse, and share the same basic part number as the approved ... nose. It was an unfortunate series of human errors compounded by the very short time frame [Gordon's team] had to get their cars changed to Dodge Chargers in time for the Daytona 500. Dodge has taken the appropriate steps in the warehouse to make sure that prototype parts can not be mistaken for approved parts in the future and hopes that the circumstances surrounding this error are considered."(Roanoke Times)(2-23-2008)

Lets see what happens this week the Hendrick cars 24, 48, and 88, had to go through the template line a few times because they didn't fit the grid. Interesting to see what happens to the Dream team.

Yep, Obviously if you don't make it through tech the first time for any reason at all, it should be $100,000 and 100 points + crewchief suspension.

If you go back the second time and you don't make it, then what happens?

[quote name='ljprevo' date='Feb 24 2008, 02:19 AM' post='116407']
You know what, they are saying that the nose FIT the Templates!!!! What the same hell, so the nose only had decals in the wrong places?

Funny no more mention about the Hendrick cars that didn't make the grid inspection in pre race at Vegas. They had to repair them and make them fit the grid, but no penaltys for them. I think that Kenseths car was another one that had to go through again , but not sure. So if you fit the grid but it doesn't have the right number, you get a penalty. If you try to cheat the system and get caught they will work with you.

Every Nose and tail that we use has a part number stamped on it, RGs nose had the wrong part number, end of story its not a gray area, they will let you hammer or grind down spots that are missing templates, always did let you, but you have to go back thru the line all over again, I know some of this doesnt seem to make sense, but I can assure you Nascar has as level a playing field as any other sport

I thought I read that the part was labeled incorrectly. So it had the right number on it but it was wrong...

Is that true?

Mike

Robby Gordon has been a thorn in the side of NASCAR for some time. And trust me when I say NASCAR has a way to
eliminate their PITA's. They try discipline first to correct behaviors and if that doesn't work they move them slowly out of their ranks.

Very few realize just how cut throat NASCAR can be. They wield a great deal of power and are never afraid to utilize it behind a closed curtain and out of the view of the fans. I have seen it many times before with drivers, crew members, sponsors and even reporters / media people.

One more reason why I do not trust NASCAR and despise what they stand for.

Chris

Can't resist this one!

"Very few realize just how cut throat NASCAR can be. They wield a great deal of power and are never afraid to utilize it behind a closed curtain and out of the view of the fans. I have seen it many times before with drivers, crew members, sponsors and even reporters / media people.

One more reason why I do not trust NASCAR and despise what they stand for."

Insert a few different positions in the dots as shown below and change "NASCAR" to the "the Clinton's," and you'll see what I mean.

"Very few realize just how cut throat the Clinton's can be. They wield a great deal of power and are never afraid to utilize it behind a closed curtain and out of the view of the ..... I have seen it many times before with ......., .... ......., ........ and even ......... / ..... people.

One more reason why I do not trust the Clinton's and despise what they stand for."


Yeah, I know, hijacking, bad manners, mean and bad on my part, but I just couldn't resist.

have a good day,

schinde

Nascar said any deviation on the grid,(someone trying to see gray areas), would be dealt with. No more hammering and massaging. I still say it is who is involved.

So Matt are we to conclude your voting for Obama!! haaaaaaa hahahaha!

No, no, no......stinkfist, schinde is voting for Hillary, of course.

And maybe next time he will tell us how he really feels!

I thought the main thing behind the COT was supposed to be the foolproof templates that should make it so EVERY team should fit it EVERY time.

So I think that if someone doesn't fit the template on these cars...they are trying to cheat.

Therefore, the Hendrick cars should be penalized.

You are correct, Actually its the area between the templates that teams are manipulating, in The Busch, Dammit! Nationwide series they Do let you fix your body if it misses the templates and get back in line, I can guarentee you if Hendricks teams were doing anything Illegal everyone would be screaming, there are people from all the other teams watching them in tech, and if anything wasn't on the up and up everyone would know about it, its not like Indy cars were they are teched in private garages its all out in the open, even post race