Well once again owendales flagman decided another race. What was shapeing up to be a good finish turn into another bad showing for rules at owendale. The 91 of Bob Berlin and myself (Fred Dow driving the 87) were getting set to finish the feature with a good show just like we did the heat race. Which Bob won by about 6" good job Bob that was great racing side by side and clean. When all of a sudden the 28 car went flyin past us both he was past me and next to Berlin when he hit the cone. The flagman let the race continue and 28 won the race and i came in second. Berlin should have won the race. But gene must not have wanted that. Instead Gene said he droped the green and Bob was sleepin. Which he did drop the flag I seen it but we were not even close to the cone yet. And the rule book clearly states on page 7 of this years book Drivers can't pass till their car gets to the cone if you jump the start it will result in you going to the rear of the field. No where does it say when they drop the green flag go. Which is what gene says is the rule.
Now my nephew Jeremy is running that 87 for points sorry Jeremy but this will probly cost you some bad calls for a couple weeks. And also Jeremy watch out the 28 likes to take cheap shots at us because thats the only thing he can do to stop that car. He got into the drivers side rear corner and instead of backing off floored it. still couldn't pass even with me side ways. Rubin is racing but that was mike essex like. And yes i did jack him up all the way down the back stretch at the end of feature but he had that one comming and at no time did I try to take him out I was just showing a little dipleasure. should have kept my head and just passed him back but you all know what its like when your not happy.

"I just jacked him up". Nicely put if I do say so myself. It is sad when things like that happen and no one cares but one who got screwed.

The 91 is the one who got screwed i'm not sure if i could have got him (the car was pushin in turn one thats how 91 got me) but it would have been nice to find out. After the 28 jumped i'm sure the 91 was not happy either and thats why he screwed up and let me by we were both way faster then the 28 you can see that on tape. while i'm here any ideas on how to get rid of push found right front shock was bad not sure if thats enouugh to make it push that bad.

I hate that damn cone rule What was wrong with the way it used to be? Just let the leader start the race between 3 and 4. I'll tell you what I've seen this rule makes the leading a sitting duck and promotes turn 1 crashes. So far every start I've seen in the last two years the outside car almost every time gets a advantage if not the lead going into turn one because they have more momentum and because the polesitter is being watched like a hawk for that dumb cone the outside has an advantage. It promotes wrecks and this is why I think that. Since the outside lane gets a advantage the inside guy has to dig hard to get into turn 1 with a right to be on the bottom.....so then you get someone who goes in way to hard and crash in turn one. That almost happened to me last year in the 4-car it was a little wet also but Beauchamp was on the outside I had the pole and he was pulling away (as I couldn't try to get away at the start because you have to wait for the damn cone) so I went in deeper then I wanted to in order to try to stay under him and slid cause the track was still muddy but we didn't wreck but if we were not both experienced drivers it would have been for sure. Rick left me room and I did all I could to not get into him. Had the cone rule not been used that wouldn't have happened I'd of had the lead heading to 1 or Rick would have had the lead or at least an advantage by a good start. I think the leader should start the race and have the advantage of starting it when they want to within reason like I said between 3 and 4 like it used to be. Or start the stupid race at the flagstand by the flagman waving the flag about anything but this current rule.

We were single file and passed us both on the inside he was passed me and door to door with the 91 at the cone. tell me thats fare

My personal opinions are that the 28 car and berlin both were faster than the 87 car as fred had a half of a straightway lead and they both reeled him in pretty quickly due to the ill handling 87 car which may have been somewhat due to the dry slick type of track. Berlin got around fred and then the yellow came out. A few laps before this all transpired I saw the 87 jump the start on the outside and got by the 28 car. Then the 28 car did the same thing jumped early this was all before the final incident. With the start in question the green was waived and at the cone the 28 was side by side with the 87 car .
Directly out of the rule book on the internet:
. Drivers can't pass until their car gets to the cone. If you jump the start, it will
result in you going to the rear of the field!
Both cars should have been penalized in my opinion.
As for the "jacking him up down the back stretch " my opinion is that was uncalled for I understand the heat of the moment but, you have to use better judgement in the situation. He was sideways all the way down the straightaway lucky he held on it or you would have been last. What if something would have went wrong and you ,him or even another innocent driver gets hurt out of the deal. This is a dangerous sport in its original form even at these speeds somebody could get hurt. Throw on top of that somebody who is out there basically trying to wreck somebody else its a bad situation. I know you could of turned him had that been your total intentions glad it never happened.
If Berlin raced you clean in the heat why did you run into the side of him on the backstretch when you were going into the pits and under caution you "tapped" into the back of him pretty good in the feature I believe?
If you have a second place car on the night take second. Don't try to wreck the leaders, you and that car are above that you just need to clam down and excersise better judgement. Beat him next week you know you can.
Why tell him he's got one coming?
Whats that gonna prove? Beat him and do it clean thats more proof than anything.
By the way also directly out of the rule book:
. ALL DECISIONS OF TRACK OFFICIALS ARE FINAL.
These are all my opinions which I hope will not be taken the wrong way by one of my best friends. Just feel that the car and driver are better than the showing that they showed Saturday night during and after the races.
Yes your fast you do not need to win every race to prove it.
Sorry if I upset you.
Would have been a good finish between 91 and 87. Should have probably threw the caution and restarted the race even if not putting 28 car to the back of the field. Green was out but he was at 87's door at the cone should have tried it again.

Well this kind of crap isn't going to help the car count or fan count. I didn't see it and not sure I understand the final few laps but beating somebody for the win especially the feature is much better then a payback. And Scott is right it's far dangerous enough without that kind of stuff going on.

Well said!!!!! Safety is First Priority. I watched from the stands. A little rough out there. You are not going for a Nascar win,not big money on the line. Just out to have Fun!

"Rubin is racing but that was mike essex like".


Rubin is racing thank you days of thunder i love that movie but i hate it at the same time. IT IS NOT A TRAINING VIDEO FOR HOW TO DRIVE OR ACT AT A RACETRACK! That line is used as an excuse to do lf to lr shots, bump and runs, lf to rr shots, bodyslam use me for your brakes moves. Now this is called as Harry said in the movie " Low down s*** a** racin.'"

And as far as Essex like goes aren't the things you said you did the same as what you say essex does to everyone? I think your better then that your not a rookie.

hahaha ANOTHER TIME....and see its just not me...sorry i could not just sit back and not say anything....chad went to Owendale saturday WHICH I DID NOT!!!! I went to crystal and WATCH an AWESOME SHOW....THe place was PACKED!!!!!! I mean it was CRAZY PACKED!!! Never seen it like that before .....thats what you get when you are good at promoting!!!!

Well i got home and saw chads CAR OMG.....Owendale and TRULEY OWENDERBY!!!!! People dont know how to drive or i should say THEY DONT CARE!!!!! I know we do and chad says that its a joke up there.....and he cant afford to get his car beat up and get 85 dollars..... SOOO instead of GOING BACK EVERYWEEK to get screwed DONT GO BACK!!! Lets not....give it up is it really worth your 20 bucks to go out there and GET treated like cRAP......I heard all about what happened and REALLY.......Gene is not going to help that place REALLY!!!!!!

So what happened to Chads car, any damage,I saw him spin out once by himself, hope that is not the tracks fault! Lets see; Drive to Mount Pleasant @ $4.00 gal, truck, which he now has a very nice good looking truck, very sharp! must get around 14 mpg. Those trucks are not cheap, Believe me, I used to own one.I would rather do some repair, than give the money to our greedy oil companies. The extra money in gas and what extra you get in payout, hmmm do the math, if not let me know, i was staright A's in my class.The whole nite was not a complete disaster at Owendale, when I have gone to Crystal, it was no ice cream and cake as you say. they have good and bad nites. every track has it faults. Anyways the street stock was a little out of control, the call was wrong, that is why they need raceceivers. one of the changes they need. Just my though

alright the offical suck, why dont the drivers quite acting like a bunch of school girls and race with out trying to cause problems! yeah! everyone want to win but acting like little girls when s**** happens on the track isnt helping anything. im up there every week and it the same thing just different drivers well my opion is if the track isnt changing why dont the drivers try to do a better part in making the track better.

The difference is Mt. Pleasant is paying $50 to start and $250 to win every week in the street stock class!!! That should help with the cost of fuel. Come on guys venture out!!!

Let me say LOTS Of work to do....its not that cheap to do what we have to do now that our car is all TORE up....sorry but we would race at Mt Pleasant EVERYNIGHT if we had to...chad is so good there and the pay is now going to be sorta worth it....and with all the big shows it really makes it worth the gas prices...sorry i cant say anything good about owendale anymore its so stupid really!!!! And Joe thank you........i cant wait to watch ya race this friday see ya at the track....RACEceivers YEA right mary mentioned it and more than half said no.....WHY NOT!!! It would help....well maybe it really wouldnt help.......
Yes chad bought a very nice new truck amd the deisel sucks but we ONLY drive it to the races.....its not a everyday truck we have others cars for work and such......

Take Care,
Miranda

I was at the track for the first and last time this year!!
I did not stay for the end thought race was over when 91 went past 87.
Now I am by no means a fan of 87 Fred but was some what impressed until the feature .
Yes he was fast but the old Fred came out .If he would have drove like he did in the heat he
would have won hands down (unless the car broke) I think he will be your 2008 champ.
(IF he drives like he did in the heat) Now the rest of the nite was a joke .
I think there were 15-20 cautions in the sportsmen feature (2 cautions per car should have only been 1-2 cars left) and thats all that was left in the lates..

It all starts by following the rule book, they need to clarify and stick to it. But then there is that stupid clause, officials decisions are final or rules subject to change. Are you allowed to pass at the cone, or do you wait for the green and the cone, then pass. Every year at the meetings, it is a topic about the orange cone! The sods use the cone and do not abuse it. To start off, last year Mary said there would be raceceivers, she needs to stick to it, not change her mind. I heard that some drivers bought them; 98, 51 and 02 and probably some others too, I heard them mention this at the first drivers meeting. That would be a start! They spend more time lining up after a caution. Wake up Owendale and stick to the rules and what was said last year.

They also need to delete the road warriors, try getting in the michigan mods or something. Not much going on with the fwd class.

"RACEceivers YEA right mary mentioned it and more than half said no.....WHY NOT!!! It would help....well maybe it really wouldnt help"

Yeah maybe the drivers could clean up the show that would help but the officials need to step in before this kind of thing happens sounds like they had plenty of opportunity in the street stock deal. As for raceceivers 1/2 said no maybe because NOBODY HAS ANY $ IN THE THUMB AREA! Crystal, Mt. Pleasant the holy grounds of dirt are in areas that are in better ecoonomic shape then owendale. And lets see 1/2 said no and Mary didn't make them get them....soooo that means she listened to her drivers hmm I thought she never listens to anybody sure looks like she did this time good job Mary thanks. Besides do you think that having them would make them listen any better anyway? I know Crystal/ Mt. Pleasant has them so everybody should. Doesn't crystal/mt pleasant have their own thread? It would cut down traffic on this one.

I still can't believe for the life of me that they have a hard time controlling 25-30 cars a night total.most places have more cars than that in one class.You trying to tell me that a flag man can't make decision on a call when there is only ten cars on the track if that.COMPLAIN COMPLAIN COMPLAIN,But Mary gets the last laugh because you guys keep going back and giving her your money.

"Well i got home and saw chads CAR OMG.....Owendale and TRULEY OWENDERBY!!!!! People dont know how to drive or i should say THEY DONT CARE!!!!! I know we do and chad says that its a joke up there"
Chad was having a hard time himself to keep up with the back of the pack. I also seen him spin out by himself but, that was probably somebody elses fault too. Why is it when people have a bad night at the track all they do is complain, suck it up and beat them next week. Chads car was not hooking up to the track conditions, but it is always somebody elses fault never does a driver come on here and say I screwed up, I ran like crap. It is always everybody elses fault. If the drivers put on a good show it reflects on other drivers to do the same by the time you get done you have a good race not caution after caution. When chad spun out he sat and waited for the caution would he of done that at the precious Mt. Pleasant Speedway I doubt it. They would have sent him into the pits.
By the way how much money you really think mary is making?
Probably not even enough to keep the place open but she does for the people that cannot afford to drive to say Crystal/Mt.Pleasant.
Pettit/Jamie are not running this year supposedly for the good of the track. What good is that doing nobody is gonna come back they might as well come back to give the late model guys something to cry about.

i was staright A's in my class hmmm. Obviously !! Chad's the staight A's in his class.. Hard work and determination pays off. Way to go Chad

OOPS SORRY THIS IS Miranda's Mom
Toni Craig

first off scotty i pulled up next to berlin after the heat to give him a thumbs up that was a great race but if your to blind to see that go ask him and keep to yourself if you don't know whats going on.

I think that receivers should be mandatory at every track!!! I think I paid $150-$180 for mine and the first time I heard "wreck in turn four stay high" it paid for itself. If I wouldn't of had it, I would have spent a lot more than that fixing my car!!! What about the fans in the stands, they didn't pay admission to watch cars ride around under caution, lap after lap because nobody can figure out what position they are in. They save the driver $ and speed up the show. Just my opinion

Peace
Joe

secondly scotty yes the 91 did catch me he was handlen great on that dry slick. but after looking at the car i broke a right front shock must have happened during feature. because it got a lot worse toward the end. also i reviewed the tape i never once came close to passing before the cone. so i don't know what you saw but i thought maybe so i watched the tape again stil no jump i just couldn't get through 1 and 2 and now i know y.

First off Mr. Scott.. Miranda didn't say anything about getting any bad calls or anyone hitting Chad ...little PMS going on ??? .What is it Mr Scott ,are you for Mary or against her . You flip flop so much I can't keep it straight . Remember everyone see the race as they see it and have a right to their own opinion . So chill out


Toni Craig
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I've been there every Saturday night there has been racing and know quite a bit about whats going on. All owendale is a bunch of crying babies and you drove like a jackass at the end of the feature I saw it everybody saw it and your actions after the race were no better. Its quite sad to see a could be track champion represent so poorly. You will get the championship but it will not be earned there is very little competition so therefore show up every week and you will get it congrats!!! Been in street stock how many years? Go to sporstman if you are so fast. I was trying to point out that you didn't drive so great last week in the nicest possible way becuase you do not see it all of the time. I couldn't even count the number of times that you raced somebody dirty this year and you haven't even drove that much. Racing should not be about turning the guy half sideways to get around him. Race them clean if you are faster go around not through. You cannot win every race. Congrats again on the championship!!!
You always see what you want to see fred I was there I saw it. Yeah the shock is the reason why you lost knew it was something could not have been you that is for sure. You could have not been pushing due to overdriving. No or even the dry slick track No.

Receivers shold be MANDATORY! I agree 100%. They make a big difference. The fans pay to see a race, not caution laps and wrecks, besides it get old and expensive to repair. Beside the way I see it, if you can afford to race, you can afford to buy the receivers!

9nolimits thanks for the compliments yes we must have broke that shock during the feature because i got out to a big lead and then it went away fast. and yes the old fred came out after i passed the 28 clean with out touching him then he tryed to drive over me in the turn. but i will rember what you said and try to stay calm and race the way i know how. my nephew is actully racing for the points i'm just filln in and getting my racing fix while i try to save money to my mod fixed that heat race was great though if your gonna lose thats the way side by side clean .

I also am intitled to my opinion right? All I am doing is putting it in here. I am both for and against mary. She needs to change a lot of things but, witht hte low car counts she could easily shut the place up and I am thankful that it stays open for me to go to on the weekend. I am upset at all the drivers that come on here and cry about the week before becuase they got a bad call or whatever. What good is crying doing? Some of owendales problems are the drivers not using their heads on the race track. Who wants to go to a track that your equiptment gets torn up week after week? I'm guessing only the people that cannot aford to travel or the ones that don't mind fixing cars every week becuase owendale has a lot of them.

Geez pushing another car down the back stretch, wrong, that is un -sportsman like, that really gives the track the name! Race Clean and have fun! I saw the week before the 51 car got pushed off turn one in the heat. some of my friends that were there for the first time were totally amazed at that.

Are raceceivers $$ costly, how about on Mary's end, it must cost something to set it up?

I think I recall you being one of those cry babies at one time hmmmm . You need to stop and slow down and think before you speak !!!!


Toni

I went back threw every one of my posts and not once did I cry about a studid call on me and I have got them just like everyone else. I may cry about needing to do something to save the track but never about a stuid call.
thanks

scotty your right racn is racn and in the end we are stil best friends. Every body has a opoinion and in racin not very many are the same. so see you next saturday night same place same time but jeremy drivn.

Fred I wasn't trying to be a jerk the first time I posted just thought I could give you some insight that you may not have noticed. That was all my intentions were as for the thumbs up I thought I saw you bump into him bad angle I guess. I just feel you are better than you showed you know it and I know it. I understand the heat of the battle but its a dangerous sport and in my opinion it was uncalled for it is my opinion. Sorry about cutting you down it goes back to the heat of the battle. I should have remained calm and I never. I apologize. Fustrated about owendale in general and nothing we can do about it. Crysal/Mt Pleasant too far away and I love dirt track racing too much to do with out it. I go outside Saturday night at home and can hear the cars and I gotta go. It's in the blood or something there are very few weekends since dave started racing that I haven't been to a track if one is open.

Never said you cried about bad calls on this site ... there you go thinking again , At the track .I don't think you been racing since you started posting things on here . have not seen you race in a long time but do remember you crying in the pits right along with the others. You know the saying ,Been there -Done that .You don't want others to bash the track but you in turn are bashing drivers .
If you want to be the Hero Scott than maybe you need to talk to the drivers and ban together and have a meeting with Mary and see if you can save the day . Good luck on that . Thanks for the laugh ,I,m off to bed

Remember : Its easy to drive a race car from the stands


Toni Craig

Family comes before race cars and I cannot afford both I will be back but for right now there are more important things than race cars to me. By the way I raced two weeks ago never cried at all where were you?

This is getting to be a joke everytime an owendale topic is on here it goes the same way eventually. Well if everybody knows sooooooo much then why don't you all ban together and buy the track then it can be run perfectly and nobody has to travel and finally everybody can be happy....yeah everybody happy like thats possible. I don't know why I'm wasting my time saying any of this or reading this every day....nothing good comes out of it. I used to wonder why people quit or didn't want to talk racin' but I'm starting to understand why they felt like that. It used to be fun. It's this constant bs nothing good to say crap that has hurt owendale worse then their mistakes or bad calls. Hey does anyone remember before Mary owned it? I recall everybody wanting to boycot then over some management problems and poor track condition. But what do I know I'm sure I know the least of everybody in this thread.

So i think the ? of the hour is...whos going to owendale this weekend???

Well you know what scott...i NEVER once said that it was anyones fault about chad....i never said ANYTHING about chads class.....but yes he did spin out on his own....and with that something was bent in the front cant turn very good when somethings bent....so dont get all up on us about your crap.....Chad went back there saturday just because our neighbors love to watch us and they cant afford to drive to mt pleasant WELL believe us it will be awhile before he goes back....so whatever you have to say about us LEAVE it to yourself because we are talking about the flag man and the dang streetstocks......but i think the 88 and the 78 had a hard time saturday night to...so dont go blaming everything on chad or saying anything bad about him....and way dont you come to mt pleasant and watch the 39 TEAR IT UP!!!!!!!!!!! as along with 20 cars also!!! Thanks

See ya at the Track!!!(not owendale)!!!!!!

and i really think your gettin out of hand scott with your PRECIOUS mt pleasant......give me break maybe you shouldnt post on here because you seem to bring drama to this post....when you start slamming people chad didnt wait for a caution THATS your THOUGHTS!!!!!!!!! But whatever!!!!!!and your right about going to the back BUT CHADS NOT STUPID he would go to the BACK himself!!! Please stop talking about us!!!!!

Good Job Dave, you hit the nail on the head! Back in those days it was not as golden as everyone thought. Back in the 70's there was a big riot there! You think its soooo bad now, wake up. If certain members want to promote a track where they think its better, then start a topic for that track and not bring Owendale into it.they need to stop bashing Owendale, Officials and the Drivers! Racing is supposed to be fun. Doesn't anyone realize that no one is perfect. There needs to be some positives and not negatives constantly!

Miranda,

Wow, Miss Perfect! Go to Nascar if you thgink you are so great!

Well i got home and saw chads CAR OMG.....Owendale and TRULEY OWENDERBY!!!!! People dont know how to drive or i should say THEY DONT CARE!!!!! WOW is all i can say

WOW! You guys started this thread talking about a flag man who makes crappy calls, an now its just one big CRY fest. You guys just keep it going, "this needs to be about the positives not the negatives" well how can you preach that when ur one of THEM. i dont think its going to be very long before this thread is locked!!! We got people who think it is wrong to bash people on here UNTIL they do it. GET A LIFE PEOPLE, THERE IS MORE PEOPLE CRYING ON HERE THEN THERE IS AT THE DRIVERS MEETINGS OR AFTER THE RACES AT OWENDALE..AN THATS BAD. Mellmotors was right this has turned in to a joke!! I cant even imagine what kind of thread will be started next weekend, but im sure i can guess it. All i can say is get over it, its owendale always has and always will be about drama!!

If any of the advisor on here read this i think they should shut it down because its gettin a little out of hand.....Good Ol Boy....im not perfect im just speaking just like all of you.....im sorry that you depend on owendale so please stay there the track needs some people to stay there.....but its just so stupid people have to get on here and BE RUDE to eachother....but i guess thats just another thought on my end i was just stickin up for my boyfriend and i get attacked SO WHATEVER!!! Thanks again everyone!! hahahahaha i agree to with dave this is a joke.......... and good ol boy id like to know who you were instead on hiding behind that screen name....

I've allowed this one to go on because it was just between about three of you but it has crossed my mind to close it as it continues to go down hill. Let's make an effort to avoid the personal stuff and keep in mind that this a salon and not a saloon. I'm in a bad bad mood right now. I may not be any better if things don't lighten up.
Thanks.
V

I Agree Big V

Thanks big v.... i feel like it is getting personal also......Were you at Crystal Saturday night it was so packed
Stevey we wish you were there because we couldnt find seats and THOUGHT FOR sure you would be there!!!!! Missed ya last weekend!

Miranda,

You know Scott probably wouldn't of said some of the things he said if your Mom wouldn't have went off on him, we don't have a problem with you or Chad and never have. He was just getting a point across since your mom got an here and went off on him, who is she to say anything anyways. When is the last time they were at Owendale!?!

And if you don't like all the Cryin' on here then keep your posts to yourself, everyone fuels each others fire!!!

every week!! every week!!

Its probably not going to get better, and ya we would probably love to go and watch some racin at Crystal or Mt. Pleasant but things are a little different now, and we can't always drop everything and leave. So good luck at your other tracks, but if you aren't watchin' or racin' at Owendale then stay off the Owendale post. It's as simple as that deel with your own tracks!!!!