pmcnamara
Jun 14 2008, 10:30 AM
Is this "Bud Moore" the same as the NASCAR owner or was it Paul "Bud" Moore who drove in the 70's or is this yet another different Bud Moore ??
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/nasca...ment-suit_N.htmIn October 2006, the suit states, Grant and some co-workers were in the lounge of the hotel they stayed at while working at Memphis Motor Speedway when official Bud Moore came out of his room wearing only a towel and calling out, ?Mo, do you want to see my (penis)?? The suit goes on to state Moore then opened his towel and ducked behind a trash can, while other male officials laughed.
PFD
Jun 14 2008, 10:58 AM
For $250 million I'll take a look at it.....
I get that she has been treated "badly" to say it mildly. But $250 million, come on.
It will be interesting where this ends up. Personally I think that is a lot of money for this.
KBM17g
Jun 14 2008, 01:53 PM
Yeah, and it's not like she's never seen a penis before.....hell, I see one everyday! I haven't asked anyone for $250 mil for it.............
schinde
Jun 15 2008, 04:57 PM
Just once,
I would like to hear someone ask these "victims" if they have ever tried to take a peek, or in the past, tried to peek into the guy's locker room in high school, or tried to sneak a look into the guy's bathrooms.
We've become a society of wimps. Most of the women I know, including my wife and daughter, would merely look at him and tell him that they are not excited at all by a needle-d**ked, bug intercoursing old fart, or broke out in laughter whilst pointing in his direction.
In essence, turn it back around.
Wimps, that is all we have become.
Let old Bud do that to my wife or daughter, he'll never do it again.
have a good day,
schinde
kaycorbgm
Jun 16 2008, 10:22 AM
So why is this acceptable behavior?
schinde
Jun 16 2008, 11:42 AM
Not saying it is acceptable behavior.
I certainly wouldn't do it.
Just saying sometimes, the simpler move, to embarrass beyond comprehension, is a much better solution.
250 mil may buy a lot, but it isn't going to solve the problem quite like a good old fashioned embarrassing.
And it is impossible for this type of childish behavior to be totally controlled, by either side of the gender. Some people just don't hink until there is a repercussion that hits home right in the gut.
And sometimes, money isn't the answer.
have a good day,
schinde
KBM17g
Jun 16 2008, 12:37 PM
QUOTE (schinde @ Jun 16 2008, 12:42 PM)

And sometimes, money isn't the answer.
have a good day,
schinde
No not always but, it's the first thing that people think of. It's just a shame that people are so sue(sp?)hungry these days. Everyone is looking to make millions off of anything.
MaddMike
Jun 16 2008, 12:46 PM
QUOTE (kaycorbgm @ Jun 16 2008, 11:22 AM)

So why is this acceptable behavior?
A better question is...Why did it only become an issue way later when she got fired? Why didn't she get a Lawyer when it happened? Why did she never file any greivances about this stuff? Usually these type of women bring it on themselves with Flirtacious behaviour. And the Black women don't generally make it any better when the call each other Hoes...but no one else is allowed to. I hate to categorize a person I don't know...but I know how those female basketball players referenced each other. Wasn't ever a problem till a white man tried to make a joke...
Another stupid lawsuit that should be thrown out of court immediately.
kaycorbgm
Jun 16 2008, 02:15 PM
I don't know why she waited 8 months whos to say, but it was also stated that another female was fired because of the anoyomus (sp) letter written by herself and a co worker. What would that tell you? Keep your mouth shut is what I would get from it.
IF you need a job you are more likely to keep quiet - she lost her job so why not?
I'm sure everyone has had or has a manager/supervisor that is doing wrong - if you need your job do you say anything to higher ups - no - because they will get rid of the "trouble maker" before someone in charge. My manager has asked our office to "cover" for her many times over the last few years - will I if asked point blank by the CEO - No BUT will I voluntarily turn over this info - No - who are they going to believe?
In the statement published it was stated she was told to deal with the way the men were, WHY?, where is the respect for your fellow workers regardless if they are men or women? Yeah there has to be some give and take between the sexes but to blantenly say stuff about your gender or color is uncalled for.
Quite frankly it is just one side so far that is public knowledge so we can only speculate from what she has said and wait and see what else comes out when NASCAR steps up with their info.
We have about 7-8 women working in our series and I don't believe any male that we have employeed would think of disrespecting one of us like that.
I totally agree with the sue happy country statement made, we have one in our office that has sued many people, hell he can't call on some of the accounts in his town because he has sued them or has one pending.
stribeckracing
Jun 16 2008, 02:18 PM
QUOTE (pmcnamara @ Jun 14 2008, 11:30 AM)

Is this "Bud Moore" the same as the NASCAR owner or was it Paul "Bud" Moore who drove in the 70's or is this yet another different Bud Moore ??
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/nasca...ment-suit_N.htmIn October 2006, the suit states, Grant and some co-workers were in the lounge of the hotel they stayed at while working at Memphis Motor Speedway when official Bud Moore came out of his room wearing only a towel and calling out, ?Mo, do you want to see my (penis)?? The suit goes on to state Moore then opened his towel and ducked behind a trash can, while other male officials laughed.
In this day and age, if you don't know that messing with a woman will promply end your professional career (let alone ANY minority) , you probably weren't qualified for the job to begin with. yes, $250k is absurd, but the judge and jurors do not weight the amount based on what it's worth to the defendant, they will pose the question, 'how big does the number have to be to get NASCARs attention?'. This story is obviously all speculation at this point, but if someone really did flash her...dude, you get what you get. You can't pretend to be that stupid.
stribeckracing
Jun 16 2008, 02:22 PM
QUOTE (stribeckracing @ Jun 16 2008, 03:18 PM)

In this day and age, if you don't know that messing with a woman will promply end your professional career (let alone ANY minority) , you probably weren't qualified for the job to begin with. yes, $250k is absurd, but the judge and jurors do not weight the amount based on what it's worth to the defendant, they will pose the question, 'how big does the number have to be to get NASCARs attention?'. This story is obviously all speculation at this point, but if someone really did flash her...dude, you get what you get. You can't pretend to be that stupid.
promply = promptly
$250k = $250MM
MaddMike
Jun 16 2008, 10:26 PM
Absolutely do not want to detract from the serious nature of these allegations. If everything she said is true, then she certainly is entitled to some compensation.
However, if she put up with this stuff (regardless of the worries of losing her job) then she accepted it to be ok. By not immediately blowing the whistle and going all the way to the top with it (lawyers and all)...then, even IF it is ALL true.... She essentially went along with it and said it's ok. It isn't ok to change your mind AFTER you get fired.
I totally understand how difficult it is to deal with work related issues. Whether it's health code, intimidation, sexual harassment, or whatever. If it isn't a big enough problem to step up and deal with it WHILE you are employed, it's a little too late to try and get the big payday once you are NOT employed.
That is the only reason I feel that it should be IMMEDIATELY dismissed. Because if these allegations were true, then this woman could have quit and successfully drawn unemployment due to work conditions which were intolerable...and STILL hired a lawyer to sue them.
She didn't do any of that. The woman got fired.... And now she's trying to get revenge and a fat payday instead of finding another job.
Mike
Jon Huston
Jun 17 2008, 02:28 AM
The Bud Moore in question is NOT the former car owner Walter "Bud" Moore, who owned the #15 Ford and others for years with 63 wins. The Bud Moore that got suspended was just an official who shares the same name.
schinde
Jun 17 2008, 06:25 AM
Thankfully, the similarity is only in name, and not in morals.
I honestly cannot concieve of doing what she is saying that he has done. I just can't.
While in no way a prude, I wouldn't want memories of me by some to be that I walked out of a room with a towel around my waist and then opened it to display myself to a fellow female employe, then ducking behind a trash can after I did so.
Sounds like this Bud Moore has a really strange way of thinking.
But then, people do a lot of things that I don't understand. Yet, not everything that one does requires that another receive 250 million in compensation.
Money is not going to "cure" this woman of the ills that she suffered, nor eliminate the ignominy that she suffered, nor relieve her of the memory of the event.
Maybe this will get to a court, where a judge will take a sensible stand and take care of this in a manner much more suited to the offense.
Ever heard of a pillory? In the town square?
Let him hang it out there for a day or so, probably would cure his compulsion to do so in the future.
have a good day,
schinde
MaddMike
Jun 17 2008, 09:09 AM
QUOTE (schinde @ Jun 17 2008, 07:25 AM)

Ever heard of a pillory? In the town square?
Let him hang it out there for a day or so, probably would cure his compulsion to do so in the future.
have a good day,
schinde
That's my kind of thinking!
The one thing we can't know about this is how she acted about this all when it was happening. We don't know if she was encouraging this stuff by flirting or daring... For all we know, she asked for it.
I only say that because I also cannot understand why someone would do what he is accused of.
And we still don't know IF he did it. Remember, NASCAR suspended him but did not tell us why.
Mike
stribeckracing
Jun 17 2008, 10:29 AM
QUOTE (MaddMike @ Jun 17 2008, 10:09 AM)

I only say that because I also cannot understand why someone would do what he is accused of.
Mike
I have worked with a a few bombshells and I'm telling you there are many guys that just don't know how to act around a decent looking woman. Most of them just come across as annoying but every now and then somebody needs to have a talking to. I don't understand how or why Bud would flash this woman, but I also can't understand, as I have seen time and time again, a pot-bellied married man hitting on a young blonde bombshell as if there were ever a planet where that type of matchup might take place. Some guys just get weird around women, I don't know what it is.
fastbruce88
Jun 17 2008, 05:51 PM
I remember her from 2006 Busch series, she handed out the seals that went on the ignition boxes, thats all I ever saw her do, and she was slow we were always waiting for her to get there so we could go thru templates, she never did anything that was "technical" the story is misleading in that way calling her a NASCAR Inspector, If she had issues with anyone she should have brought it to Nascar HR, it would have been handled right away, I don't know the inside details, but I wouldn't be suprised if she didn't bring most of it on herself, by trying to fit in
flyinryan66
Jun 18 2008, 09:13 AM
Some guys just get weird around women, I don't know what it is.
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most guys simply do not know the deal yet, ignore them and they are intrigued, they will make it a point to come and talk to you. most women do not want to see showing off just a confident guy with a I can do with or with out you attitude. Dr.Phil does not have S--t on me. just ask an old east side hustler like Laci Donnert.
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