As for the Modifieds, another great Feature is in the works pitting the Top 10 in points between Owosso Speedway and Whittemore Speedway.

Owosso Top 10
33 Bill Luckhurst
25 John Forsythe II
1 Laci Donnert
42 Steve Bates Jr.
4 Joe Morrissette
0z Chris Ozanich
55 Larry Wallace
18 Zack Klingston
75 Claude Plante Jr.
911 Dick Maurer

Whittemore Top 10
78 Travis Eddy
40 Buck Harsen
7 Todd Matheson
2 Scott Lamp
44 Don Stuck
0 Ryan Ostrander
2K Karl Edmonds
13 William Fortier
96 Rich Haskins
41 C.J. Harsen

Plus, the Top 10 from Dixie Motor Speedway, (Minus Drivers who already appear above)
11 Chuck Silva
21 Nick Clemens
39 Dave Christensen
95 Tony Brabbs
31 Jeff Reamer
3D Mike Luberda Sr.
12m Donnie Matteson Jr.
1 Rick Wiecorek
16 Mark Abee
58 Don Gilbert

Throw in a few more combining all Three Tracks with drivers NOT in the Top 10
0 Johnny Belott
4 Joe Hodgeson Jr.
81 Larry Plamondon
$ Jon Beach
43 Ken O’Connor
1 Mike Luberda Jr.
27 Matt Szecsodi
46 Chaz Pray
8 Jordan Pruitt
70 Dave Parisian

I know there’s a ton more in the area and I didn’t even include Auto City cars, but there’s 40 Modifieds within a Three-Track Radius.

Just like with the Late Models, I’m wondering if something could be done as far as putting together a nice little 10-race series between the three tracks with a “Season Championship” event at one of the three tracks, with the last race rotating each season between the three tracks?

Here are some basic rules (Pretty much mirroring the Late Model concept);
1. 50-Lap Features (Except for the Championship Race, we’ll make that 100 laps)
2. $1,000 to win - $200 to start (Except for the Championship Race, let’s go with $2,000 to Win and $400 to start)
3. Basic Rules combining the three tracks together under one alliance. (The Michigan Modified Racing Alliance - MMRA) (Just a name for the sake of this thread)
4. Two-Tire Rule for these races only. All three tracks run on Hoosier 970s, so everyone would have plenty of those at their disposal and would only have to buy Two (2) tires at each MMRA Event.
5. A "Winners Circle" Program for teams who appear at all 10 events and a limited Winners Circle Program for those who miss a race or two. (Say $1,000 bonus in addition to the points fund at the end of the year for those with Perfect Attendance)

2009 Schedule (Again for the sake of this thread)

1. SAT May 2 Owosso Speedway-Ovid, MI – 50 Laps
2. FRI May 22 Dixie Motor Speedway-Birch Run, MI 50 Laps
3. SAT June 13 Whittemore Speedway-Whittemore, MI 50 Laps
4. SAT June 27 Owosso Speedway-Ovid, MI 50 Laps
5. FRI July 10 Dixie Motor Speedway-Birch Run, MI 50 Laps
6. SAT July 25 Whittemore Speedway-Whttemore, MI 50 Laps
7. SAT August 8 Owosso Speedway-Ovid, MI 50 Laps
8. FRI August 21 Dixie Motor Speedway-Birch Run, MI 50 Laps
9. SAT September 5 Whittemore Speedway-Whittemore, MI 50 Laps
10. SAT/SUN September 19-20 Owosso Speedway-Ovid, MI - 100 Laps ($2,000 to Win - $400 to start)

The Modifieds could run solo or combined with the Late Models for a two-division mini traveling series utilizing the three tracks mentioned. (Owosso, Dixie, and Whittemore)

No Auto City is not included, three is plenty!

Spartan and Springport are also no included because they run on different tires, and finally no Kalamazoo, that track is too far away from the "Core Base" of this "series."

Thoughts anyone….

That is a great idea, Matt!! There is no reason there couldn't be 2 out of the 10 races at A/C.

Wood,

What if Spartan and or Springport were on the same tire?

Gov

I like it, where do I send my entry form.

I agree with Joe. I would think about buying a modified for something like this!

Greg

I'd see no reason you couldn't add AC for a race or two or even Spartan & Springport as long as those events were still run on 970's.

The simplest rules set up would be to adopt the same United rules that USA runs or if you did your own rules set include a line that if you are USA legal you are legal for the series. This would allow many modifieds from all around to be legal for your series. You would probably be able to draw some out of state cars for at least the season finale if not some other events. Also, of course, have good consistent tech.

Why not bump the Whittemore features up to 75 laps? They already run 50 lappers for their local shows. Another possible problem is that Whittemore has a very short season, I believe only 9 nights of mods there this season so they would be giving up 1/3 of their mod season to do something like this.

Why include a Friday track with two Saturday Tracks ?

Maybe you could revive the old Carling's (sorry old age) Circuir of Champions, and run it on Wednesday nights like the old days.. Although I doubt there are many mod drivers that remember that.. Might give me something to do after retirement.

I'd like to keep this as simple as possible, hence just Three (3) tracks to start off with. (Dixie, Owosso, and Whittemore)

Why a Friday track? Because of the three tracks mentioned, one runs on Friday nights. I suppose you could turn those Friday's into Sunday since Dixie does run a few Sunday shows a year.

50 lap Features were/are a starting point. Since Whittemore is a 1/4 mile, I don't see why you couldn't bump those up to 75-lap Features, but keep Owosso and Dixie at 50 laps since both are bigger tracks.

Plus, since Whittemore starts so late in the season, you could swap a date later in the season with another track on the schedule or add a fourth date to Dixie and make the first year 4 at Owosso, 4 at Dixie, and 2 at Whittemore.

Wednesday nights wouldn't work anymore, not in this day and age. Times have changed and you have to adapt.

More thoughts....

Awesome idea Matthew!!!!! You know how big of a mod fan I am, I would just love it. Some people would have to work pretty hard on getting this type of thing set up, so here's an alternative. I know Whittemore has a season ending special, and Owosso has championship weekend, and Dixie probably has a year ending special like most tracks. How about if the promoters from each track get together and if the scheduling is right, make each tracks "special weekend" a combined invitational for mods? Give a big bonus if a driver could win all three, or have like a mini end of the year championship based on their finishes???? This type of thing would be easier to setup even for the end of this year maybe. I could see 40+ mods show up for each race just to be called the best.

wood, you're a crazy man but i like where this is going.

i not only rememmber carling circut of champions, but i race in a carling race at owosso and manchester. weds nights i think would be tough for most to attend. this only makes sense when you think about the mod car count at all tracks. i think we all would like to race against each other.

steve "pops" pastorino

Then did you race Owosso when it was a BIG dirt 1/2 mile.. Those were the days.

b)(Spartan & SMS)-revised 5/23/08: The American Racer 265/60X15 (704 compound) or Hoosier 970. The American Racer tire is available at both tracks.


Taken from the Spartan/Springport Modified rule book. You can a 970 at either track as well. fyi

i did race on the big 1/2. it was great time. i loved that track. raced on it in '71 and '83 & '84.

steve "pops" pastorino

Also in keeping this as simple as possible, just the three tracks mentioned would host events the first season. Once that first season was complete, then there would be the possibility of "SMALL" expansion to more facilities such as Auto City, Spartan, and Springport.

I wouldn't stray to far away from the core base of the two series' and that is Dixie, Owosso, and Whittemore.

I'm with Chuck, when do we start?

I'd pay to see one of those shows.

It seems like I've heard this idea before.... I like it! A lot!

The competition would be outstanding.

On the other thread

Amen to that... although everyone else will whine about it. I like the "shut up and race" format, qualifying is boring anyhow, and turning the heats into glorified practices sucks. If the tow money is better than the start money is now, I see no reason why people wouldn't have a problem ditching QF. It adds SO much intensity to the night when you have to race in through the heat. friggin' awesome.

If you want Drama SOD's re-draw procedure is cool too, where the top 8 in passing points re-draw for the top 8 line-up, BUT instead of drawing a number and keeping it, you have to give it to another driver. SO if you draw a 1, someone is gonna want to be your friend. It makes for a good intermission show on the front stretch.

I wouldn't mind racing into the heat at a place like Owosso....but some places are a little too tight I think.

Sprint cars are only like 26" wide, so they can pass anywhere...

I like the idea Wood. Ron and I had brief talks about adding a Mod division under the USPRO banner but we had our hands full at the time so we canned the idea. I have always wanted to take the Mod's and do what we did with USPRO. Take the drivers behind closed doors and let them hammer out new rules to make the division more cost effective and then try and standardize the rules across the State. Then add a series format to them along with their regular weekly shows.

If I was still living in Michigan I would have done it.

I like the idea a lot. I think it would be good for the teams and drivers as well as the promoters.

Chris

In regards to Wednesday or Thursday shows ?

Never count those days out for a few shows a year. Some of Jane's biggest shows happened on Wednesday & Thursday nights. I can remember her packing the house a couple times with Super Late specials held on Wednesdays and Thursdays. The trick is you hold them at a track once or twice a year and not try and make them a monthly thing.

Most drivers back then took a vacation day on special events held on these two week nights. There were not a lot of support divisions run with them so the night went quickly and fans were out of there early.

Anyone remember the old MSPA series and the nights they ran ? I believe they were Thursday nights.

Chris

the old mspa series ran on wednesday nights. i remember one year in the early 80's i took a vacation day and went to 8 or 9 shows on wednesday nights. it was great, i am not so sure that it would work in this day and age though. i think you could run maybe once or twice a summer though.

Chris,,, I believe it is to late,, isn't that what Steve Ellis has done with the USA Tour?? Why reinvent the wheel.. Use those rules,, travel to a different track each week (I still think Wed is OK) I would say no support group,maybe one at the most and be done by 10:00 or so.. I ran many of the MSPA races on Wednesday nights, they made it a big deal, and back then it had bragging rights tied to it. I'm not sure it is really as hard as everyone is making this out to be, at least from a car/drivers stand point. I think the big issue would be with the tracks,tires,and who pays the $$$$. Track,Series or a combination.. and if you have the series pay the $$$$ then you are in to drivers fees and the likes. The key is to find a GOOD series sponsor to help with the costs.

Your very right and in todays business climate, its REAL hard to get series sponsorship money.

Chris

I think this idea has merrit, but the one thing I think needs to be addressed is putting a cap on cyl heads to 23 degree, not allow the 18 degree or SBC 2 stuff.

You can make plenty of HP with the 23 degree heads on the market and don't have the expense needed for the shaft rocker system, special headers and intakes needed with anything beyond 23 degree.

Just a motor builders point of view.

USA does have one chassis rule I feel needs changed and that is the use of the Ford strut rod chassis, NOT STRUT TYPE, suspension. They state no strut front ends, but as long as a Ford clip was used with the stock front strut cross member in place this chassis should be legal.

I feel other than that the current USA rules package is very well thought out.

Gov

Tech is definitely not my strong suit, but I know there can't be many rule differences!

What are the subtle differences in rules between the three tracks and could they be worked out to fall under a common Alliance?

Dan,, Oh course you know I agree with the Ford clip rule.. Since that rule came out you can't even give a Ford clip mod away.. Just convert them over to UMP dirt. Other than that I see nothing wrong with the USA package. Your motor idea, I believe is also a way to go to save a buck or two.How about the CarQuest Michigan Modified Challange??

Yeah Dan how about the CarQuest Auto Parts Michigan Modified Racing Alliance (MMRA) Series. Surely you could help with this one couldn't you?

I don't think i'd be infringing upon the Michigan Modified Association (MMA) would I?

See I would need sponsorship for a wide variety of awards I would have in both series.

So how about: Carquest Auto Parts Faster Than A Speeding Bullet Qualifying

If someone were to put this series together,, I'd support the fast time of the night,or something with some sort of an award or $$$$

Wish I could credit my friend with an original thought, but this path has been beaten down a few times. Pondering is nice, reality is different. To get TWO promoters on the same page is one thing, 3 WOW!!! And now all this money you speak of!!!!

Good idea, not original, but good.

I guess it's nice to be able to dream (ponder)

I could post the same words on the other "ponder" threads too, but y'all get the point.

It IS an original thought. Take 2 divisions that normally run weekly and make them dual premiere divisions within a regional based traveling series, only this would take that concept one step further and actually PROMOTE the current stars of the three said tracks instead of bringing in an "outside" traveling series.

We do have 2 promoters on the same page, Owosso and Whittemore Speedways. Look no further than those 2 tracks working together with regards to the rules and schedules for the very same divisions we're talking about.

How much would it take to add on a third when the three tracks in this discussion are so close together, a simple meeting to erase any differences in the rules would solve a world of problems and benefit everyone.

The main problem lately is all the negativity surrounding the local weekly short track scene.

Instead of saying "well this can't work because of this and that", how about we put our heads together and try to come up with solutions on how we CAN make something like this work....

Best way to organize a meeting between promoters:

Free cake.

It brings the world together really. Iran and the US are just a cake away from being Best Buds.

Hi Wood,

You can't use "MMRA".

Check out: http://www.mmraracing.com/

That stands for "Miniature Motorsports Racing Association" which is one of the more major governing bodies for Mini Cups.

You'll have to use "MMRALMS".

-Maurice

You might also want to take a look at the Spartan Speedway Modified rules:

Spartan Modified Rules

When I assembled those rules at the start of the 2007 season, I began with the USA Modified rules and then made any and all necessary changes which would allow the former MMA cars, as well as the Kalamazoo cars, and the Owosso and Dixie cars.

I know the Spartan tires are an issue, but you'll likely see that everything else in there allows all other cars to compete.

You could do the same thing, simply alter the rules where there is any difference so that the cars from each track are legal.

-Maurice

Ooops....

Well that'll be another "Pondering Thought" what to name the series!

I agree that the Ford Clip should be legal, and i am also all for a 23 degree rule. But it makes me nervous when people start looking at the Mod rules and trying to "change" things. I fear change. Don't mess with a good thing.

Ray

I'm glad many are in favor of keeping the Fords O.K. as long as the havnt been modified. I have been concerned that the tracks would start to follow those rules and eliminate a bunch of cars including mine. I am curious as to the # of Ford clip cars around, I would bet on the east side here there would be many Harsen cars.

I guess you can call it original if you want, because you wrote it here, and combound the two series, but the idea really isn't. No offense bro, we've talked of similar ideas many times through our years.

I would be all for this Matt, you know that, and I'm not trying to be "negitive", but I am trying to be a realist. Jeff Parish is the sole reason the two tracks you mentioned are working together, and THAT is a great, great thing. It would be awesome to see two tracks working in harmony for the greater good of the sport, and themselves. It usually only happens if the same person owns them, or has affiliations, like Jeff. We have all seen what usually happens though, and it's been that way for over 50 years. I need not go any further than the 2 eastside tracks that are a mere 8 miles apart, but worlds apart on compromise. There are numerous tracks that have tried, dirt and asphalt, but never fully suceeded for a long enough time to really matter.

If YOU ever tried to pull something like this off, I'd jump right in feet first and try and help you.

Your thoughts make sense to most of us, it's just too bad common sense hardly ever prevails in these situations. And I won't even approach the problems that you'd have securing the payout, or sponsorship. But it's cool your still thinkin Wood!!!!

Plus this makes for interesting conversation, if nothing else.

Association fees? Track memberships to run on nightly basis with the series?

Is this a series or an association? If you're just reformulating the MMA at different tracks then this is a terrible idea. The last thing that any racer wants is to spend $1000 to race opening night, and that was the way it was when you had to pay the MMA, 4 tires, the track membership, and pitpasses.

If you're turning a weekly series into a real traveling series, with a real purse, real insurance, real point fund, real prestige, real promoting, and REAL competition... then carry-on because we've been saying that this should happen for the last 4 years. If you want to put the work in to make it happen then you can have the idea though. If this is more of a fleecing of the racers that makes the racers feel like they are involved because it came up on an internet forum, then I'm's losing more respect for the idea by the minute.

If you're not taking a race outside of Michigan, then who cares about engine rules? I wouldnt build anything but a 23degree motor anyhow. If someone else wants to spend the money, or come up from Indiana with a 18degree... bring 'em on. It'll just hurt them. We took power OUT of our 23degree motor to go faster at Springport Saturday, we'd have pulled a plug wire at whittemore. I mean Dan is right about saving money with that rule, no doubt, but I hate limiting the competition with rules.

I am truly excited about this, because I've been torn about if I want to drive a mod next year or not. An 8-10 race mini series at Michigan tracks with a primo pay scale... might shift my thoughts towards this. No offense, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

What's the real idea for doing this?

I really love this idea, and I think Wood is most definately on the right track, because this seems to be a really possible thing to do. I would really like to hear some input from someone that I consider to be the "Guru" of MI short track racing. Jeff, It was'nt me that shortened your cane, but that's only because somebody wiser than me beat me to it! Your sage input on this is really needed now, I can't believe you've been silent this long. Are the wheels and gears grinding away! I'll bet they are and the outcome will be something positive for MI short track racing! My business has very limited funds, but I would support this plan to my last dollar! Jeff Heri

I think, for the first time in a while, I agree with Ed. Great idea, but there needs to be some reality added in. You know some of my credentials Wood, and I hope you know you are welcome to pick what little brain I have if you like. I will leave it like that. I would hate to be the biggest downer of this thread

Duane

think about who the third promoter that you want to get is............we all know he loves to share......

O.K. A good series to look at to set the basis for the plan would be the Carolina Clash Late model series. this started as a 2 track series when the promoters were no longer able to afford to run Supers weekly. NOW I sure do wish you would put your effort into getting the tracks to work together on the Super Stocks, instead of trying to put a fancy label on some modifieds and limiteds. that would be the biggest thing you could do for racing Hollywood.


ALSO How exactly do you plan to charge a sanction fee for THEIR DRIVERS? There is one guy from the "tri tracks" that I can think of that would just not do it. and I think that's the REAL reason there is no plan to sanction at Auto City. Joe would never buy into you charging him for HIS cars. Asphalt racing is so screwed, if it was 3 dirt tracks, this would be easy.

This would be a genuine traveling series utiilzing the weekly track rules already set in place.

The whole idea for these series' is to pit the best of the best against each other in a 10-race series. ALL Drivers at the three said tracks wouldn't have to change a thing to come run this series and here's how....


The rulebooks at Dixie, Owosso, and Whittemore are 95% similar with regards to Pro Late Models / Late Models / Limited Late Models as well as Modifieds. All three tracks in both divisions run on Hoosier 970 Tires. In order to cut costs, drivers already have 970s at their disposal, so at each "Series" race, they can only buy 2 tires per race day.

While not a Rules guy by any stretch of the imagination, the rulebooks for all three tracks are VERY similar, with only about 5% of the minor rules that would need to be tweaked slightly to accomodate all three tracks.

That 5% could easily be worked out in what i've referred to as a November Saturday Morning / Afternoon Rules Meeting.


Once all three tracks (after tweaking the subtle differences, nothing major or costly) fall under one blanket of rules, Mark Welch and Bill Luckhurst could go run Dixie on Friday and either Owosso or Whittemore on Saturday and not have to change a thing!

Owosso and Whittemore already have an agreement in place to alternate the Late Models and Modifieds. So Welch and Luckhurst could (In theory) run the entire weekly schedules at all three tracks!

Plus, they could also run the entire schedule in the new series' (Still yet to be named) or they could pick and choose to run select shows. My idea to entice drivers to run the entire schedule is a "Winners Circle" Program rewarding drivers who run the series.

100% Perfect Attendance (for example) would be a $1,000 bonus at the end of the season IN ADDITION TO the points fund earning they win as a result of wherever they finish in the series points standings. In addition, say a driver misses a race or two due to vacation, work, etc., there would still be a smaller "Winners Circle" waiting for them at the end of the season.


Robbie Johnson in his Template Body / Crate Engine car could run the series as well, or stay home at Dixie and not have to change a thing to run and be competitive or vice-versa, the Outlaw Bodied / Open Motor Late Models would be on the same level playing field as Johnson's Template / Crate car.

In the above ramblings, the whole point is to keep the weekly heroes racing while at the same time, pitting the best against the best. You wouldn't HAVE to run the traveling series, but for those who do want to run more than one weekly track a week or even once a week, and/or at different facilities without traveling across the country, this would be a very good option.


Pit Passes are a must, we all know that. There are costs associated with running a traveling series, but by no means would a driver have to spend $1,000 or even $500 to race on opening day of the series or any day of the series for that matter.

What does it cost to register at all three tracks? Take the Registration Fees from each track, divide that by Three (3) and there is your cost to Register for the 10-race series and reserve your number in the process for the 2009 racing season!

An agreeable Entry Fee per race, for all 10 races, and/or a one time entry fee can be established by a vote of the Board of Directors, which for 2009, would consist of the 2008 Track Champions and Rookies of the Year at the three tracks, plus the Founders / Presidents of the two new traveling series'.


There would be a Real Purse, you have to pay a somewhat higher purse than normal if you expect a weekly racer from say Dixie, to travel to Owosso, or a driver from Owosso to travel to Whittemore, and so on.

$800 to Win and $200 to start is what i've decided on so 1. The purse isn't top heavy or "Dolly Parton-ish" and 2. My drivers from 5th place on back are the core of these series' and the purse HAS TO BE cost effective for them to continue coming to my races.


Real Insurance to give drivers piece of mind when they do decide they want to travel a little bit. That's a given and there's more than one suitable insurance provider.


You absolutely MUST HAVE A Genuine Points Fund if you expect drivers to travel even the 2+ hours it would take to go from Ovid, Michigan to Whittemore, Michigan. Birch Run, Michigan is right in the middle, so it's an hour to either track if they want to travel. The costs of diesel fuel and possible hotel bills will be high enough as it is, but that will, in the end, benefit the three communities involved.


Real Prestige and Real Competition? You're damn right! Who wouldn't want to race against the best of the best in the state?

Who wouldn't want to see Bill Luckhurst and John Forsythe II from Owosso go head to head with Travis Eddy and Don Stuck from Whittemore as they travel to Dixie Motor Speedway to take on track favorites, Chuck Silva and Dave Christensen!(One of many examples you can use)

Same in the Late Models, who wouldn't pay top dollar to go see Mark Welch and Dave Bigos from Owosso, Chad Bennett and young rising superstar, Blake Childers travel up to Whittemore to take on hometrack favorites Ryan Ostrander and Cale Wiltse, or can Robbie Johnson in his Template / Crate car beat the "Outlaws"?

These drivers and so many more (Go back and read the Top 10s in points at the three tracks and the extras) THESE DRIVERS ARE OUR SUPERSTARS! These drivers are our Tony Stewarts, Kyle Busch's, Jeff Gordon's, and Jimmie Johnson's and should be treated as such!

There's your promotional tool to be used. The Local Stars of the Dixie Motor Speedway awaits the traveling stars from Owosso, Whittemore, and wherever else in the running of the M.P.H. Promotions Twin 50s! The Local Stars go head to head with the best of the best in Michigan this weekend at Dixie Motor Speedway!

I think i've covered everything. If I missed something, please let me know.

Depends on the gate, if you want to charge 18 or 20 bucks to get in to that show, I wouldn't. Now if it was $10 grandstand now you are offering quality to the fan but now you are doing it at an exceptional VALUE. That there is the key. Just like you get at any number of top notch venues. Not only do you you need the cars you need the fans but to get the fans for a series like this you need to make them a good deal. Great drivers for sure but not in top level cars not junk but certainly not Super Late Models. You have to stress the Blue Collar nature of this series. That's your biggest selling point.

But you ask who wouldn't pay top dollar to see guys you can see for bottom dollar normally, I sure wouldn't. If I was in Michigan I'd go to Crystal and watch 40 SUPERS and 40 mods for 10 bucks and oh yeah they have like 50 more cars too.

What is going to pay for all of the money that you're giving the drivers? I was once told that if something seems too good to be true, it probably isn't true, or it won't last.

If the series registration is somewhere between $50-100, and a track membership is not required at each facility to run the "tour" shows... then I really like the concept. I hate paying registration fees to run a track a handful of times, and I like to run a lot of different tracks. I have no problem with paying a registration if it means something, when you get double-dipped because a track and an association both have their hands in your pockets is when it pisses me off.

Like Duane, I wonder about the reality of it. If there is a strong possibility of this 10 race series then I know my dad would be ready to run his car in it, and I would need to know ASAP, since I'd probably want to start putting a car together as well. 10-12 races is just enough to fit it inside my SOD schedule without going broke or missing the racetracks that I want to run. I know some other racers that are looking to step back down to a modified, they may be interested as well. So the sooner the teasers stop and the reality begins, the better.

Sorry if I seem terse about this, but I've seen "associations" be nothing but a waste of money for the MAJORITY of modified drivers over the years. I hate to see this road get traveled again if it's not something that is advantageous for the racers. Facts and numbers will sway the masses


Hmmm ROC-M Tour? (Race of Champions - Modifieds Tour) I'm sure that can be a play on words for wise-asses like wood.

I like it but what do you call the limiteds?

Another question that you haven't answered, when they jack up the pit pass price how does that help the racers that aren't racing in the series? they aren't getting any more money but they still have their own points race to worry about. How does this truly HELP all local racers, or you don't care about the bomber guys?

I'd say between $12-15.00 at the front gate is pretty reasonable.

Jake, you're exactly right! This would be a "Blue-Collar Series" and that would be the biggest selling point. The Local Stars against the "Invaders". The hard-working guys who work 40+ hours a week and come race at their home track on weekends, taking on the outsiders looking to take home local money!


With your Series Registration, I would say drivers would get a break at the Pit Gate for pit passes for the series events only.

For Example (Pit Passes Using Gavin's catchy Series Name)
ROCLM and ROCMOD Members: $5.00 LESS than a normal pit pass
Non-Members: Normal Pit Pass Prices

Plus, the series events would be series events only! You pay your pit pass and series entry and go racing, that's it!


Gavin
A good Marketing Program and valuable sponsorship would be the biggest assets a series like this would HAVE to have!

Sponsors will want to know exactly what they are getting in return for signing a check and handing it over to the series.

There's a ton of Motorsports related Sponsors in the three areas mentioned. If we can give them a good product and a return on their investment, It's a Win-Win for all involved!

With the three areas surrounding the three tracks, that's where the sponsorship would come from, local sponsors supporting local drivers and local tracks.

I'd like everything within the series sponsored in some way.

Examples:
Title Sponsorship for the series
Points Fund Sponsorship
Winners Circle Sponsorship
Official Sponsorships
Contingency Sponsors

Fast Qualifier Award Sponsors
Heat Race Sponsors
B Main Sponsors
Main Event Sponsors
Lap Sponsors

There's no limit to what could be done and any idea is a good one....


The biggest thing though for any of this to become more than a discussion on MSTRC is the initial time and investment to get this off the ground.

We might be interested in the concept, it is fun to think about anyway.

While I was at Whittemore we never got carried away with our gate or registrations

That would be the same here at Owosso, I have never had that warm fuzzy feeling when walking up to a gate and feeling like I got hijacked. This part would need the most work. I never cared much for association fees either. If we could come up with a way where it did not cost a guy an arm and leg to start the series that would increase the participation by a large percentage I would wager.

Wood is not a long way off from what we are paying for a purse already so I don't think its a huge hurdle.

Chris has a good idea about getting a group of drivers together to weigh in on the structure of things.

This all sounds like a good starting point and I am curious.

The USA mod rules could be close, they would have to be altered to not exclude the Bice, Harsen and other Ford Stuff.

Owosso is hamstrung by a several year old judgement where we are only allowed Saturday night events and Wednesday practices.

None of the negetives are things that can't be overcome.