Are the slm chassis legal to use in the LLM class or would you have to have it stubed to be legal?

Gonzo,
the llm rules have changed the past few years where most tracks will allow most any aftermarket clips including strut rod/coilover type cars like a FLF or Howe XL clip. Even in cases where tracks my require a min. 5 or 5 1/2 springs they put on coilover eliminator or dead shock and use a seperate mounted shock on the front. The crank height must be raised to 10 1/2 in (again depending on track) which is fine considering they have to run a wet sump anyway.

Most tracks if you run coilovers you must add weight also most tracks engine set back is plus or minus 1 in number 1 spark plug to balljoint

So you dont have to run a stock lower A arm?

actually alot of tracks have dropped penalty for coilovers, although I beleive Dixie may still require additional weight on coilover cars with an outlaw body. And, the 4" setback is now the norm for many tracks on a LLM.



No. But there are still many many camaro clip, stock lower LLM cars running very competitive.

Dixie and owossos rules are the same i think the four inch set back is on the west side of the state MARK WELCH runs stock lowers and he wins alot check their websites

Whittemore's rule:

Engine: Cast iron engines only. 360 cubic inch maximum displacement. No dry sumps. Cast iron heads only, porting and polishing of the heads is allowed. Cast iron or aluminum intake manifolds are allowed. Roller rocker arms are allowed. Roller camshafts and lifters are not allowed. Compression ratio must not exceed 12:5 to 1.Stock Holley 4412 removal of choke horn is allowed. A 1-inch thick adaptor plate with a maximum bore of 1.687 is allowed. Any battery operated ignition system is allowed. Open-air cleaners 4-inches tall x 14-inches in diameter are allowed. The air cleaner may protrude through the hood. Engine location is that the forward most spark plug must be within 4-inches of the centerline of the adjacent ball-joint on all frames. The centerline of the crankshaft must have no less than 10 ½ inches of clearance to the ground. All cars must have a working starter at all times. Engine Coolant: Water only. No anti-freeze

Not just a west side thing. As I said many tracks have changed and I believe Dixie is the same.

JUST checked dixies rules 5in coils must weigh 2800 coilovers 2875 1 inch set back same as owosso

thanks for the info guys. I guess i was trying to see if converting from a SLM chassis would be feasable using any chassis brand without having to cut it up. I alwats figured a Limited Late model should be just like a super except for engine, 8" wheels and maybe shocks. That to me would be a limited. the early styles always reminded me of a Sportsman car on steroids and I didnt care for that. I sse alot of changes have been made.

Also owosso and dixie centrline of crankshaft 10 inches you can have 4 inch set back if you run template body

Dixie:


ENGINE:

1. Max. 360 C.I.D. Max. 12.5 : 1 Comp. ZERO TOLERANCE

2. No aluminum heads or engine block.

3. Roller Rockers allowed, no other roller components allowed.

4. Stock-type cast iron heads only. Aftermarket heads allowed.

5. Ground to centerline of crankshaft - 10” min. Template cars- 11” min.

6. Forward most spark plug must align with ball joint- 1” tolerance max. Template cars- 4” max. set-back allowed.


and,


1. Cars are required to meet allowable weight and percentages at any time, including post-qualifying and post-race.

2. In the event of a new track record driver will pass post-qualifying tech immediately after qualifying.

3. OUTLAW CARS: Screw jacks, 5” front springs, 4” rear springs and stock lower control arms- 2800 lbs. after race, with driver. 56.0% max. left side, 50.0% max rear weight with driver.

4. OUTLAW COIL-OVER CARS: Same as above except with coil-overs and/or aftermarket strut suspension- 2875 lbs.

5. TEMPLATE CAR: ASA Late Model-legal car. Body must be installed to “ABC” template spec. (2004-2007 Monte Carlo, Taurus, Intrepid, Grand Prix). Hoosier 970 tires, 8” steel rims- 2650 lbs. after race with driver. 58% max. left side weight. Template car may use any Dixie approved engine package.

So Ther are a few more vaiables there, I guess this also could play into some of Wood's discussion about the 3 tracks, is that why you asked Gonzo?

Hey firechild could you please copy and paste Owosso's rules, I cant get it to transfer.
Thanks

Yes , was curious if there were many differences between the tracks since so many had their own twist to things. I actually would like to be able to run an outlaw bodied crate car if the rules would still be the same as with a temp body.

I just checked out Owosso rules.

Do you mean the weight break? I dont think you'd get a weight break for just the crate engine, but I'm not sure. I know Jim Hardy is running that combo at Whittemore maybe if Andy sees this he could tell us.

Sorry guys im computer illiterite i dont know how to do that plus my spelling aint that good but owossos rules mirror dixies no you dont get a weight break with a outlaw body seems we have an aero advantage find that hard to beleive it aint like we run superspeedways

Im saying everything would be the same as the templete car except the body.

Thast a good question Gonzo, I dont know the answer but I think the rules are based more body related. Dixie as you can see gives the weight break to the body regardless of engine.

One differ I also caught that is not directly related to this thread but part of the rules variation is shocks. Dixie, and Owosso if they mirror as you and firechild describe, have no external adjustable shocks allow, where Whittemore allows external adjustment but has a $100 shock claim.

Yeah , I noticed that. Owosso has a $200 limit. The adjustables are about $300 and if your gonna run different tracks its better than havibg to have a bunch of different shocks.

What Year/brand of car you lookin to change Gonzo?

I know if you go to owosso if they find something they dont like they will give you a fix it ticket you can run but before you come back you must fix what they gave you a ticket for

It would be a port city and i would use a coilover steup. Going to a big spring would take me some time to learn.

Outlaw car with crate engine is 2875 at Whittimore and Dixie...

Weight: 2850 lbs. With driver before the race.
a. All added weight must be painted white and securely mounted to the car using ½ inch bolts.
b. Maximum 60% left-side weight.
c. Maximum 50% rear weight.
d. Whittemore Racing Club officials may adjust the weight of the cars to even competition if needed.

How did the 50% max rear weight rule come to be?

Try to keep everyone on the same playing field.

Kinda vague answer wouldnt ya say? Something must have come about to place that rule somewhere in the history of the LLM.
I always figured working with %'s other than the stated L/side % went along with chassis tuning.

Gonzo not positive about the rear % rule. The left side use to be lower (I think 56%?), but Whittemore changed it to try to encorage new cars which did work. Possibly the 50% rear came about at that time but not sure.

We have trouble getting our limited down to 60% left side we hed to put all the leadon the right side frame rail. We are 50% rear at 4 in engine set back. We don't run the east side or Angola much becouse its such a pain trying to get that much lead moved over and it only slows you down half a tenth but at kalamazoo that can be the differance from hitting the inversion or missing the show so we run the lead on the left. We run the small coilovers now but just for more close spring rates but we ran 5 inch coilovers howe, afco and Joe's all make coil over kits for 5 inch springs and its alot cheaper than getting the brakets beside alot safer. I've seen and had to many load bolts or nuts break off the frame. Whats the rules for running 5 inch coil overs?

The small shocks I assume are for 2 !/2 springs. Are they mount outside the frame rail as in the SLM or inside the spring
pocket? Think I need to get to the oits and check these cars out.

Owosso is 1" set back max and stock lower control arms

Left side is 56% and rear is 50% max for Owosso and sure Whittemore is the same and Dixie