I heard that things got a little crazy in pits at SMS on Saturday Night..

knock down drag out fight, including a helmet welding driver cold cocking someone and the cops ultimately being called and people being taken out of the pits in cuffs ??

Any one have more details ?

Damn, I missed a good one!!!!

PMac...once again YOU DON"T KNOW THE FACTS....YOU WERE NOT THERE SO WHY START SOMETHING WHEN YOU DON"T KNOW ANYTHING!!!!!!

Caroline.. did I state any facts ? Did I name a single name ?? Did I say I was there ???

I asked a couple of simple questions about an incident I heard about in the pits... and then asked for clarification and/or confirmation.

A sentence which ends with a ? is a question, not a statement of fact. A sentence which starts with "I heard that" is clearly indicating I wasn't there.

What are you being so defensive about ???

Wow patrick. Back to the penalty box. I took it as a question. Next time you MUST sit back and make sure someone elses asks the questions you want answers too

Quit causing so many problems

oooohhhh whats the scoop folks????

anyone got any results?

I heard it had something to do with the full moon, Jimmy and Nate!

Quite a nice way to ASK a question ehh Patrick??

Why would you choose the words you did to ASK such a question??? And why would you title the thread the way you did, to just ask this question?? You absolutely know the answer, and you already know enough (so you think) to ask this question in the mannor you have chosen.

It is obvious to me, and many others, that you have chosen this direction of "asking", to try and dirty the track you once called home. That, in itself, is a shame. And THAT is what Caroline is getting so defensive about.

Heated action continued this week between Nate Moon, and Jimmy Scavarda. After the race, it appears that they had some heated discussion over future dinner plans. It'll be up to them to choose whether they want to share any of the details of their conversation with you, or anyone else.

Please continue to stay so classy Patrick.

Ed.. they make medicine to help with paranoia.

I didn't know enough about what happen last night to state a single fact or make a single statement about what happen.

Seems everyone not employed by the track in some way, shape or form thought the question was pretty straight forward..

Or maybe because they all raced somewhere else instead of Springport this weekend they are all traitors and are trying to dirty the track also ?

When I started the thread about the big fight at the Palace why didn't you instantly assume I had some beef with the Detroit Shock or Bill Davidison ?

Why didn't it occur to you that I was just curious about what happen ?

Seems a lot of folks don't even know what a DISCUSSION FORUM is ??

dis·cus·sion [di-skuhsh-uhn]
–noun
an act or instance of discussing; consideration or examination by argument, comment, etc., esp. to explore solutions; informal debate.

1. an extended communication (often interactive) dealing with some particular topic; "the book contains an excellent discussion of modal logic"; "his treatment of the race question is badly biased"
2. an exchange of views on some topic; "we had a good discussion"; "we had a word or two about it"

Pat,

Thanks alot, because of you, we had to endure another lecture and life lesson from the message board police.

Lets review, a fight ensues at a race track between multiple people and you are called out to "stay classy" because you wanted to know what happened.... What a joke as usual!

I guess it wasn't your story to talk about.

Thanks for the info and as always......STAY CLASSY!

I believe putting "20+ involved" In the subject line would lead others to think you knew "facts".

Hhhmm,

Full moon?

Could have been.

Don't know what happened, wasn't there, will be interested if anything did.

The track has enough in the way of trouble right now, I would hope that the above mentioned incident involving twenty and handcuffs, and a helmet wielding driver did not occur as surmised.

Makes no sense. And, no one is being defensive here, but being wary of what may or may not have happened, and what may or may not be truth, fiction or a combination of both.

Soon enough, word will get around, the story will develop, get stranger as it gets told, and eventually, will fall by the wayside as just more "race talk".

Oh, and by the way, Big Ed and Caroline are merely stating what they feel about this, given their positions with the track. The life of the track is very important to them, and anything that may create a story that isn't, is certainly going to raise their radars.

have a good day,

schinde

Schinde:

I like that idea I have a "radar"

Caroline

I was there saw what I believe the blown out of proportion title is refering to.

No cops at the track............

No one left in handcuffs, there was one couple sitting next to us that was talking about using them later at home though .........................

A few people were talking about the great value of poor pauls 1 pound hot dogs and the action on the track.....................

Springport had one of the best shows around last night especially the pony races.............

Pony season championship is only 3 points between 1st and 2nd right now. Any other tracks have 1st and 2nd in any class that close or closer??

Come to springport for the rest of the season and see how the points chase works out for the ponies. We put on a heck of a great show for the fans every week.

Todd ( YOGI ) Metz Sr.

Top 4 cars in the Pony class finished within 3 car lengths of each other. 2nd and 3rd was decided by a bumper, no more then that. I don't think there has been a better race for the lead all season. Maybe next time the outcome will be a little different and I can pull it out!!

Late Models at Owosso have just a one point difference between first and second.

Patrick,

You can't be serious about the innocent curiousity that became your motivation, with your choice of words to start this thread, c'mon man!!!

"20+ person throw down in the pits!"

I'm not paranoid. I'm just a little bummed out with your choice here. You, being the media savvy gentleman that you are, certainly could of found a better way to cure your curiousity than coming across with that headline catching opener you chose to use to get everyone's attention.

Insinuating that I, or any of us, would hold a grudge against anyone who chooses to race at another facility is just another low blow by you. All racers are free to run anywhere they like. It's no secret that Springport's payout is low, has been for a few years now. We had a few new drivers last night, and everyone there seen some great racing.

I know you well enough to know you very easily could of solved your curiousity on this subject, in a more descret mannor, than the one you did. Why you didn't, is what I am curious about.

Was at Springport last night what a great facility was good racing in all classes.We left right after the Pure Feature as we had to make the long trek back to the U.P. Everyone knows that tempers raise in short track racing no need to get your panties in a bunch.If we did not live 300+miles away we would be back at the track next week.

Thanks
Bill Cryderman

We were very happy to have you at SMS last night. Come back and see us when you can

Caroline

That is awesome!!

How many more points races are left at Owosso?

Any bets on who will win the Late Model points race at Owosso?

YOGI

Late Models have just three Points races left. Four more points night left this season overall.

Some people need to grow up we need to weed out the ones who want to start a bunch of drama and keep the real racers we do this for fun it sure aint for the money so once the fun is gone its time to move on

O.K., How the hell come whenever Patrick mentions Springport he gets ripped??? If somebody would have told me there was a badass rumble at Springport, Dixie,Crystal, Mt Pleasant, Auto City, Potomac, VMS etc... and the cops were there, I would have asked the same way. Further how does a rumble sully the reputation of this track because there may have been a brawl or even a fist fight or a yelling match. My god that doesn't happen at every race track in America. Who the hell makes anybody the red commie dictator of what is said about that place? If you aren't allowed to talk about a track without it having to go through the PAO..... I see why it's about to go out of buisness.

Hmmmm...it's about to go out of business??? News to me ...that's the whole point Rocky...he had other ways to of found out the facts before putting anything on the net and if it would have been "true" facts then I would not of said anything. But, 20+ people; cops called; handcuffed; that's not even close to the truth. He just had to of said it a different way or asked the question a different way...Who ever was his source was completely out of line and didn't know what they were talking about. But anyways, enough said.

Thanks for your interest though.

Caroline

Hey that's just the impression that I get about the place don't shoot me. I actually have never been there, don't plan on it either. I read about all the Michigan racing on the internet. That's as close as I get except maybe 2 weeks a year. I do my racing in the east when I am in the USA. SO I must be wrong and Springport really is Michigan's Ideal Speedway. The track hasn't been plagued with poor attendance for 2 decades despite being one of the nicest facilities in the midwest. Furthermore everything is just hunky dory at little MIS and there's no way a fist fight could ever break out in the pits there. Now I have made my politically correct BS statement and the gestapo won't kick my door in when I finally get home on leave.

So now......get off Patricks back, he had his own reasons for leaving, and all he wanted to know is what happened. We all leave home eventually I hardly ever go to Dixie or Auto City when I am home and I was raised from early childhood to being grown at those tracks. I had my reason to leave but that doesn't exclude me from wanting to know what really happened at them. Not just the washed up for the public view either. Matter of fact I haven't even lived in Michigan for 8 years but I still want to know whats REALLY going on. That's why I am here, I suspect many of your reasons are the same.


Very Respectfully,

Jake

Rumor has it They have recieved some money from Jerry on the track and finishing up paper work so maybe the comies will be gone soon. I know Eds going to get on my ass but thats what I heard. LOL

I don't have any beef with SMS, SS or any other track.. and its silly that someone would say I do. I'll be right back at those tracks on August 31st, September 14th and maybe others..

Elsewhere in this thread, another SMS driver/owner talks about the same incident.. even mentions the names.. and I don't see Big Ed shouting down that person.

It is ironic that QueenBee and Big Ed would come out so vehemently against this thread (and/or me if someone wanted to take it personal) where I ask a question about an incident which I heard about, figured I didn't have all the details... volunteered the information I had and asked if it was accurate and if someone could provide more details about.. BUT.. in another thread, a car owner states point blank.. THIS TRACK CHEATED ME.. and I HOPE IT GOES OUT OF BUSINESS.. and neither person has a word to say about it in that thread.

So are you saying then that it is okay to say the officials at Spartan suck and are corrupt, but that a couple of racers getting a little out of hand in the pits is taboo ? Or is it that if you bought a pit pass at that track that week you get a free pass to say anything you want about it ?

Another MSTRC member started a thread about the demise Michigan Racing Scene and not a single word of lecture or censor was given. Why weren't they asked if they had ulterior motive against Terry Fitzwater and MRS ? Was that person not savvy enough also to find out what was going on ? I mean, he was only the Public Relations Director for a Mid-West Racing Sanctioning Body and operates a Public Relations Firm representing many local drivers.. that person didn't have the resources to learn more about what was going on at MRS outside of posting on a message board ?

Or perhaps he was just making a point of DISCUSSION which he thought people in the racing community might want to talk about ?

that is an extremely tight battle.. closer really then the Big O LM, because there are over a 1000 points earned at SMS in the Pony Division YTD, while less then 300 at the Big O, plus many more competitive cars in the class.

not taking anything away from either class or track...

I very seldom add any comments to threads I use this more for information gathering. But I had to respond to this thread and say it's about time that we all grow up and come together to support all the tracks and talk about the positives. Racing is in trouble everywhere at this time and we need to support all tracks even if it's not our main track. If we lose Springport we will have lost one of the best tracks in Michigan to race at. So if you want information about a something as negative as a fight at a race track call someone don't post it to the world that is very tacky.

I think if I were Patrick, I would be upset with whoever gave him his information......It sounds like there was 6 people involved, no police or handcuffs, and the combatants left quickly and peacefully after the initial ruckus. Maybe the the straight facts from someone creditable before posting would be my only advice.

I still have my letter requesting that I never return and there were no fists thrown either. I hope these ruffians have something to hang on the wall cause we still laugh about mine.
I just figured they did not want me to win the championship so after I did they claimed my motor(junk yard unit) with 25 laps on it. After some harassment from the claiming group my brother argued with them and I got booted. They were in my pit while I was pulling my motor assaulting my crew and I got booted. My brother never got a letter and either did the assailants.
20 years and nothing has changed.

If you want to continue to try and pretend your so innocent here Patrick, go right ahead. I'll let your post speak for itself, and your maturity.

I have one point, and one point only here, and your going to try and drag everything else into this, and I'm not going to play YOUR game.

You know you could of went about this in a different mannor, but choose the route you did. That is it. My only point and problem with you. You state you were ONLY asking a question, about something you HEARD. I've heard LOTS of stuff about you Patrick, should I ASK the question about it here, to cure MY curiousity??

Rocky, you sometimes feel the need to comment on something you don't know the first thing about. Patrick LOVES his drama, and chose to play it out to the fullest. If you like that, then go play in his sandbox, but don't chastise me for getting on him about something he 100% created here. You don't know anything about the history of Patrick, and Springport, so how would know a thing about this??

By the way, now that you found out what really happened, I haven't seen any changes in the thread or your previous post. Wonder why??

THIS is about what you chose to post here Patrick. Not about Aaron Stenger, the Michigan Racing Scene, or anything else you want to try and divert attention to. It is about your choice of starting this thread, and how you chose to do it, PERIOD.

this post.. as post #3, instead of the post that was posted.. would have ended this thread at post #3.

Ed.. I don't have any secrets.

If you have a question, your free to ask.

Forgive me for boredom but I see somebody jumping on somebody that has been nice to me seemingly unfairly and I come to his aid. And I would do the same thing for you Ed. You like your soap box just as much as Patrick likes his. How often have I made a real comment about Springport a real serious one before now, that's right never. And till I know what's really going on there, I won't. Same with Owosso, Spartan, Whittemore or any track in Michigan other than one in Clio and another one in Birch Run which I have a very good eye on.

I'm thinking that there is a part of the picture here that is being missed by many.

And I think that is why Big Ed, and Queenbee posted on the initial subject.

While I do not think there was nefarious intent within his initial post, I also do not believe that Big Ed and Queenbee were in the wrong to respond.

Nor was Superpro.

Again, they have a significant interest in the survival of this track, and not merely for the money, but from a deeper place, and when that deeper place is touched, it engenders a reaction.

As such, they did.

have a good day,

schinde

Patrick are you talking about Matt when you said something about posting the demiss of the MRS?
I've look through past threads about that and can't find anything he started on that. Please show ME where that was written
OUR PR company is some of OUR Bread and Butter and don't need to be brought into it on a thread that has nothing to do with US.

I"m sooooooooooooooooo over this racing season wish it would snow!!!

I was referencing a Matt posting...

Not trying to start anything, but have heard that the Marc Times Racing News is no longer publishing their papers!

Don't know if it's true or not, but I thought i'd post on here to find out for sure and if anyone else knew of this.

I see now on review, his posting was in reference to MARC Times, not Michigan Racing Scene.

Later in the same thread, another poster mentions they aren't getting their Scene and that they phone number has been disconnected.

I did get the facts mixed, I should have analogized using MARC Times & Don Beebe in my post instead of Michigan Racing Scene and Terry Fitzwater.

And just to be clear.. In my eyes there was nothing wrong with Matt's post. It is/was a discussion worthy topic and he presented it as a question and asked the Discussion Forum for their thoughts/information. That's what discussion forums are for.

Oh my gosh. So Patrick was a bit overly dramatic with his statement. I dont think it warrants this big of a retalliation. I really dont see it as a smudge on SMS's reputation. It is a fine facility with a fine staff. You cant control the behavior of racers in all situations it is just human nature. Racers are on an adrenneline high when they get out of there cars add to that a dose of anger, and well............ Have fun yall see you at the track!

Cmon Kay you are a race fan. Dont be so down trodden!

Pat,

I thought the same thing as you pointed out in the above post. I guess when you are part of "the good ole boys" club you need not worry about being chastised by others.

I don't think your posting about this subject was out-of-line in any way. The responses you received from a few ARE out-of-line, but it seems we have become accustomed to them.

Here's an idea...why don't the track "reps" who post on this board start lecturing and reprimanding those involved in the fight, instead of trying to bait others into a message board argument (like this post has turned into)?

Some people and their EGO...WOW!!

Also, if you hear anyting regarding the sale of the speedway, be sure to let us know.

We could make light of this and explain it this way:

Someone was fixin to "moon" someone else, but instead he got all "jimmied" up.

-Maurice

There are other people on this board who have (claim to have) much more information regarding the real estate transactions of Jim and Paul then I. I think I'll sit those questions out and just be an observer at what happens at the tracks.

Let me reiterate...some people and their EGO!!

Pat, don't waste your time.

Does he have SCARvadas! from it? lol~!

Patrick,



You want me to jump on this one for you?

It's "Patrick", not "Pat". He really, really hates being called "Pat".

Almost as much as I hate being called the way my name is spelled. It's actually pronounced "Morris".

I once heard Lee Petty call his son Maurice using the pronunciation "Morris". I also asked Maurice Petty personally how he prefers his name to be pronounced. He said, "I don't care what I'm called as long as I'm called."

So, maybe we shouldn't worry about how we are called?

Now, everybody get back "on topic".

-Maurice

What you didnt think that was funny moooooreiieeeeeese!

That's the way Bill Lackey spells it. It's actually "Scavarda".

There we go again...

-Maurice

Not as much as I dislike being called disingenuous